The Horror that happened today...

[hEarty]

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Virginia Tech is a very relaxed college and is one of THE best colleges in Virgina. NOBODY could have predicted this might happen....

[Dee]

I'm glad your brother is safe, hEarty... This is a very sad incident

But I bet they would blame it on a Muslim terrorist.

[hEarty]

Thank you Dee...

Last I heard they were unable to identify the person who did the shootings because said person removed his face with his last bullet. He was the 33 person killed in the incident. It IS known that he was a student at the school.

[SekoETC]

I thought it said on the news that it was the police who shot the gunman? But then again, they also said that 21 deaths have been confirmed so the information was outdated. Only minutes later it said over 30 death. But what more can you expect from a country where just about anyone can get a weapon with only three days of waiting?

[N-Aldwitch]

This is sad. Sad emotionally, and sad in the sense that some sick fuck would go do this. What a coward, shooting himself in the end. I'd like to see him incarcerated for ever. Too bad the American justice system would have put him out of his misery anyway. Too bad America is so 'free' that it sells guns to completely restrict the freedom and continuity of others.
As Sartre says, your actions should reflect good upon others, you yourself should be completely free (like an american) but you should not make any actions to impede on others freedom.
Personally I think America's gun laws (or lack of them) are pretty much completely ignorant of this ideal.

[kinvoya]

A tribute to a great man.

Professor Librescu was among the 33 people killed in the Virginia Tech massacre on April 16, 2007. He was killed in the Norris Hall Engineering Building. He sacrificed himself by holding onto a hatch preventing the gunman from entering the lecture hall while students attempted to escape through windows. He was 75 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liviu_Librescu

[deadboy]

I feel very sorry for the people involved and their families, but am I the only one who feels that it isn't so much the gunman's fault but whatever it is in American society that causes these people to do this every-so-often, I mean, it's not going to be the guy (Or girl)'s fault that they are messed up. It just makes you wonder, was it bullying maybe? Just a sense of futility?

[Antichrist_Online]

This is a sad event. However, lets just wait and see what subculture/minority/technology/video game gets blamed this time. Because heaven forbid that there are some screwed up people who just happen, because of local laws, to aquire weapons, then rampage through a group of unarmed students. The violence is OK but sex is a mortal sin and dirty, culture growing out of america in it's media is just a reflection of a change in thinking for the worse.

I hope the families involved get proper concilling and the media leave them alone to grieve, but I doubt very much that will happen.

[SekoETC]

Usually in cases like this it has been a person who's been bullied. I can relate to that. In this case they say that the guy had been fighting with his girlfriend, claiming she was having an affair and shoot her. They said he was peeking into the classroom a couple of times before he started shooting. I think he was looking for the person who had been screwing his girlfriend, maybe he wasn't there. Or maybe he was. But if you shoot one person and everyone starts screaming and people might be trying to stop you, you most likely just panic and start shooting at everyone that seems hostile. Or then people start running away and you get the thought that you don't want anyone to tell others it was you, you get the crazy idea that if you shoot them all, there will be no more witnesses. When you realize there's no way out than suicide, you're just taking as many people along with you since why should they have a happy life if yours was so fucked up?

[Dee]

Good thinking, Seko...

I, too, think that guns should be restricted... Since when does freedom mean that guns should be allowed freely? It's a strange logic, indeed.

[deadboy]

I totally agree that guns should be restricted, as it might do something to quell this sort of thing, but even if they were its never going to stop it completely because guns are so ridiculously easy to get hold of on the black market. I'd love to offer a be all end all answer as to how to of stopped this sort of thing happening at this point instead of merely banning guns because something far wider -is- needed, but I'm afraid I can't, sorry, any other offers?

[Antichrist_Online]

Guns shouldn't be regulated, just the types allowed. If there were more people with guns, he would have been shot. No guns at all, he'd have used a crossbow or petrol bombs or knives or a hammer. The weapon isn't the problem, it's society not noticing and dealing with the people in question.

With regards to been bullied causing it, I can wholly agree that it could, from my past experience, which I'll not get into, I know it can drive people to extreme behavior. In some people this means suicide, in others with a more "your the problem not me" mentality, it leads to things like this.

[Sicofonte]

My condolence for the victims.

My condolence for the victims of the past shootings in colleges, schools, hospitals, offices, parks, and so on, that happened in USA.

I hope this last one would serve for making aware the USA society and avoid future massacres.

Guns shouldn't be regulated, just the types allowed. If there were more people with guns, he would have been shot. No guns at all, he'd have used a crossbow or petrol bombs or knives or a hammer.

Molotov cocktails are not so deadly as guns, since the fire can't kill instantly and can be smothered before the victims are dead.
When you have a crossbow, it is rather difficult to shot down to dead 33 people before you decided to suicide. Not to say if you only have a knife or a hammer.

Maybe Michel Moore is right and your problem, American society, is your television and your culture of fear.


Mad fools, violent paranoids, psychopaths and vulgar assassins can be found in any nation of this Earth. But, strangely and noticeably, they tend to show up (for killing people left, right and centre) only in USA.

And the response of some natives is:

What if one in every five of those people on campus had a gun? It wouldn't have happened

If there were more people with guns, he would have been shot

(sarcastic mode on)
Oh, of course. If any 18 years old young in the college had had a gun, no one would be harmed. If any child in any school had a gun, no one else will dead.
(off)

Come on, people... -shakes his head-

Police should have guns, but no one else.

And no one should have automatic weapons. Why having it? For what? For "discrete" hunting of deers and mooses in fair joust? For defending the nation from the omnipresent but always invisible terrorists (except those that are nothing but innocent muslims)?
I can't see the point of a nation that owns the stronger army in the world (any seven nation army in the Earth would't be enough for winning against USA alone) having all its people armed with M14s assault rifles, hand grenades and bazookas.

[Antichrist_Online]

Because they were founded by revolution and saw that in the future another revolution may need to occur to keep the country free.

Actually, on more guns, I was been facaeus (sp?). The guns need not have been there, only the threat of them. In England, guns are heavily restricted and we've had more shootings now than before the laws were toughened. The criminals can get guns, the rest can't. One even said to a reporter "10 minutes, what make do you want?" when asked if he could get a gun.

With other weapons less people would have died, but people still would have died/been injured. The problem was the person not the weapon. Though why the hell anyone needs automatic weapons I don't know. But ban them and they'll do it with a shotgun, ban shotguns, and they use a pistol, etc. Don't ban a tool because someone will use it to hurt someone else.

Also they show up all over the world Sicofonte, but they only get publicity in America so it seems like theres more. This then means more do it for the attention. Alot of serial killers and such do it for the media attention they get.

[Chris Johnson]

Mad fools, violent paranoids, psychopaths and vulgar assassins can be found in any nation of this Earth. But, strangely and noticeably, they tend to show up (for killing people left, right and centre) only in USA.

It's hardly an American problem

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