Vaseline, politics, war & other such related stuff

[Spazz]

Wow, the chaos a comment about the pronunciation of "Vaseline" can cause... way to go, hf...

And I agree, to a point, with Zanthos, and to a point with the others. We don't claim to have won the war, but we did give Britain and other nations a great deal of support, without which the war would have been tremendously more difficult, especially for Britain.

As far as the Russia thing goes, the Russians, at least at the time were used to war and being invaded, Hitler made a terrible mistake, as did Napoleon, in attacking Russia during winter. The notion that America really didn't have much impact on WWII is erroneous. (Not that I'm saying any of you are saying that, but I've actually had somebody claim America made no difference in WWII)

And Dyl, I rarely watch TV, I don't pay much attention to Hollywood, I don't like the politics and bullcrap coming out of that cesspool it has become.

[Schme]

Hitler's downfall was the invasion of the Soviet Union. It would seem he'd become drunk with success, and decided that "Aryan" soldiers were so superhuman that they were resistant to cold and starvation, and that they didn't need winter boots or such silly things as fuel.

Russia was much to large. They occupied damn near half of it (at least the important half), however their supply lines were constantly fucked over by guerrillas and saboteurs. The sheer size of Russia made it impossible to occupy, and impossible to hunt down resistors behind German lines.

But Hitler's real downfall was incurring the wrath of the almighty Dominion of Canada. I told him not to do it, but he wouldn't listen to me.

He was into this whole "Mystic" phase, and I think his new friends were a bad influence.

He should have learned his lesson from the first time we stomped him back when he fought with the Kaiser.

America did supply the allies with all kinds of nifty things, such as tires. They sold them to Nazis too. All bussiness.

The yanks came in halfway through. Although to say they did not effect the war would be rediculous. They greatly sped up the collapse of Nazi Germany and the allied victory.

And it's "vas-uh-lean".

[formerly known as hf]

The yanks came in halfway through.

No, they turned up for the after-show party.

The war was swinging very much in favour of the USSR by the time the Americans decided to get involved. Which is the only reason they got involved.

The biggest thing the US ever did for west Europe was to keep supply lines going.

And anyway, the war would have been lost very early on if the French and British governments hadn't been able to rustle up troops from their respective empires (including the territories of Canada & the US)

[saztronic]

The yanks came in halfway through.

No, they turned up for the after-show party.

The war was swinging very much in favour of the USSR by the time the Americans decided to get involved. Which is the only reason they got involved.

Well, not really. Roosevelt was looking for a way into the war since it started. Pearl Harbor gave him the excuse in 1941, though of course the Japanese took all the earliest attention. But the U.S. declared war on Germany as well not long after.

Then there was the rather massive and prolonged build up to D-Day, going on two years. Americans like to, you know, prepare and everything. So that ass-kicking is guaranteed. No sense unzipping your fly prematurely.

None of which is to say Americans won the war in Europe, which is ridiculous. The Russians had turned the tide already and might have finished the job, too -- but it is true that the threat of invasion from the West, and subsquently the actual invasion, kept the Germans from throwing their full shizznit at the Reds.

The biggest thing the US ever did for west Europe was to keep supply lines going.

That was cool and badass. But I like to think the Marshall Plan was the best thing the US ever did for West Europe. We were very free and easy with the benjamins in those days.

[Chris Johnson]

Germany declared war on the US not the other way round ... though as you say, Roosevelt was very likely to have done so anyway.

Personally I value greatly the contribution the 'Mercans made during the the War and after - but the Marshall plan was only a loan - not a handout . In fact the UK only made their final Marshall Plan repayment this January - Thanks for the 60 year loan), and I don't think there is much to be gained by talking about what-ifs

The War was one by The Free Poles, Free French, British and Commonwealth forces , Free Nowegians, Dutch, Greeks, Belgians, Yugoslavians, Russians, Chinese, Burmese, Thai, Indo-Chinese , Americans , Brazilians, Argentinians Uryguans and many more including the resistance in the Axis countries

It was lost by the fascist powers of Germany. Italy ,Japan and their satellite allies - Germany itself was effectively bankrupt by 1940 as a result of Hitlers 4-year economic plan anyway

[saztronic]

Oh, and... American inventions:

Lightning Rod
Cotton Gin
Coffee Pot
Amphibious Vehicles
Sewing Machine
Vulcanized Rubber
Elevators ("Lifts," for those of you across the pond)
Roller Skates
Typewriter
Steel Bridges
Phonograph
Light Bulb
Peanut Butter
Hearing Aid
Moving Pictures
Zipper
Air Conditioning
Frozen Food
Defibrillator
Polio Vaccine
Electric Guitar
Laser
Space Shuttle
Genetic Engineering

Obviously none of these compare to blood pudding or bangers and mash, but somehow Americans have managed to overcome their insecurities at being behind the times in the field of British cuisine.

[Chris Johnson]

Impressive but pale into insignificance when compared with the world's greatest ever invention - The Cat Flap (Issac Newton ...who happens to be British )

[Pie]

NO!!!
PENUT BUTTER PWNES EVERYTHING!!!

[Antichrist_Online]

Light bulbs were actually brittish... Swan invented them... Likewise steam engines, Sterling engines, Analogue and Digital computing (Babbage and Turing), the jet engine, moving pictures were also a british-European invention.

British inventions/Discoveries:
English:
Agriculture
* Seed drill - Jethro Tull [1]

Astronomy

* Discovery of the planet Uranus[2] and the moons Titania, Oberon, Enceladus, Mimas [3] by Sir William Herschel

Chemistry

* Marsh test for Arsenic - James Marsh
* Dalton's law and Law of multiple proportions - John Dalton

Communications

* Uniform Penny Post - Rowland Hill et al.
* Clockwork radio [4] - Trevor Baylis

Computing

* Analytical engine [5] - Sir Charles Babbage
* ACE and Pilot ACE [6] - Alan Turing
* Bombe [6] - Alan Turing
* Colossus computer [7] - Tommy Flowers
* Difference engine [5] - Sir Charles Babbage
* World Wide Web [8] - Sir Tim Berners-Lee
* ZX Spectrum - Sir Clive Sinclair

Clock making

* Anchor escapement [9] - Robert Hooke
* Balance spring [10] - Robert Hooke (disputed - possibly invented by Christiaan Huygens of the Netherlands)
* Grasshopper escapement, Gridiron pendulum, H1, H2, H3 and H4 watches (a watch built to solve the longitude measurement problem)[11] - John Harrison

Clothing manufacturing

* Derby Rib (stocking manufacture) - Jedediah Strutt
* Flying shuttle - John Kay
* Mauveine, the first synthetic organic dye - William Perkin
* Power loom - Edmund Cartwright
* Spinning frame - John Kay
* Spinning jenny - James Hargreaves
* Spinning mule - Samuel Crompton

Cryptography

* Playfair cipher - Charles Wheatstone

Engineering

* Adjustable spanner - Edwin Beard Budding
* Cavity Magnetron - Dr Harry Boot
* First coke-consuming blast furnace - Abraham Darby I
* First working universal joint - Robert Hooke
* Newcomen steam engine - Thomas Newcomen
o Modified version of the Newcomen steam engine (Pickard engine) - James Pickard
* Pendulum Governor - Frederick Lanchester
* The first screw-cutting lathe - Henry Maudslay

Food

* Bird's Custard - Alfred Bird
* Sandwich - John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich

Household appliances

* Ballbarrow - James Dyson
* Cat flap - Sir Isaac Newton (attributed)
* Collapsible baby buggy - Owen Maclaren
* Dyson DC01 - James Dyson
* Fire extinguisher - George William Manby
* Lawn mower - Edwin Beard Budding
* Rubber band - Stephen Perry
* Light Bulb - Joseph Wilson Swan

Industrial processes

* English crucible steel - Benjamin Huntsman
* Bessemer process - Henry Bessemer
* Hydraulic press - Joseph Bramah
* Parkesine, the first man-made plastic - Alexander Parkes
* Portland cement - Joseph Aspdin
* Sheffield plate - Thomas Boulsover
* Water frame - Richard Arkwright
* Stainless Steel - Harry Brearley

Medical

* First correct description of circulation of the blood - William Harvey
* Smallpox vaccine - Edward Jenner
* Antisepsis in surgery - Joseph Lister
* Artificial intraocular lens transplant surgery for cataract patients - Harold Ridley
* Colour blindness first described by John Dalton in Extraordinary facts relating to the vision of colours [12]
* Computed Tomography - Godfrey Newbold Hounsfield

Military

* Congreve rocket - William Congreve
* High explosive squash head - Sir Charles Dennistoun Burney
* Puckle Gun - James Puckle
* Shrapnel shell - Henry Shrapnel
* Harrier Jump Jet - unknown
* Tank - Unknown

Mining

* Davy lamp - Humphry Davy
* Geordie lamp - George Stephenson

Musical instruments

* Concertina - Charles Wheatstone

Photography

* Ambrotype - Frederick Scott Archer
* Calotype - William Fox Talbot
* Collodion process - Frederick Scott Archer
* Stereoscope - Charles Wheatstone

Science

* Compound microscope with 30x magnification - Robert Hooke
* Electrical generator (dynamo) - Michael Faraday
* Galvanometer - William Sturgeon
* Infrared radiation - discovery commonly attributed to William Herschel.
* Newtonian telescope - Sir Isaac Newton
* Micrometer - Sir William Gascoigne
o the first bench micrometer that was capable of measuring to one ten thousandth of an inch - Henry Maudslay
* Sinclair Executive, the world's first small electronic pocket calculator - Sir Clive Sinclair
* Slide rule - William Oughtred [13]
* Synthesis of coumarin, one of the first synthetic perfumes, and cinnamic acid via the Perkin reaction- William Perkin
* The Law of Gravity - Sir Issac Newton
* DNA fingerprinting - Sir Alec Jeffreys
* Vaccination - Edward Jenner

Transport

Railways

Locomotives

* Blücher - George Stephenson
* Puffing Billy -William Hedley
* Locomotion No 1 - Robert Stephenson
* Sans Pareil - Timothy Hackworth
* Stephenson's Rocket - George and Robert Stephenson

Other railway developments

* 9mm gauge railways lines now in universal use - Isambard Kingdom Brunel
* Displacement lubricator, Ramsbottom safety valve, the water trough, the split piston ring - John Ramsbottom

Roads

* Bowden cable - Frank Bowden
* Cat's eye - Percy Shaw [14]
* Caterpillar track - Sir George Cayley
* Hansom cab - Joseph Hansom
* Seat belt - George Cayley
* Sinclair C5 - Sir Clive Sinclair
* Tarmac - E. Purnell Hooley
* Belisha beacon - Leslie Hore-Belisha

Sea

* Plimsol line - Samuel Plimsoll
* Hovercraft - Christopher Cockerell
* Lifeboat - Lionel Lukin
* Resurgam - George Garrett
* Turbinia, the first steam turbine powered steamship, designed by the Irish engineer Sir Charles Algernon Parsons and built in Newcastle upon Tyne

Air

* Jet engine - Sir Frank Whittle

Miscellaneous

* Daylight saving time - William Willett [15]
* Meccano - Frank Hornby

Scotch:

* A gas powered things (gas mask) : James Gregory (1638-1675)
* A steam car (steam engine): William Murdoch (1754-1839) [1]
* Macadam roads: John Loudon McAdam (1756-1836) [1]
* Driving on the left: Determined by a Scottish-inspired Act of Parliament in 1772
* The pedal bicycle: Kirkpatrick Macmillan (1813-1878) [2]
* The pneumatic tyre: Robert William Thomson and John Boyd Dunlop (1822-1873) [3]
* The overhead valve engine: David Dunbar Buick (1854-1929)
* The speedometer: Sir Keith Elphinstone (1864-1944)
* The motor lorry: John Yule in 1870
* The steam tricycle: Andrew Lawson in 1895
* Suspension bridge improvements: Sir Samuel Brown (1776-1852)
* Tubular steel: Sir William Fairbairn (1789-1874)
* Falkirk Wheel: ??? (Opened 2002)
* Canal design: Thomas Telford (1757-1834)
* Dock design: John Rennie (1761-1821)
* The patent slip for docking vessels: Thomas Morton (1781-1832)
* Crane design: James Bremner (1784-1856)
* Lighthouse design: Robert Stevenson (1772-1850)
* The Drummond Light: Thomas Drummond (1797-1840)
* Condensing steam engine & improvements: James Watt (1736-1819)
* Coal-gas lighting: William Murdock (1754-1839)
* The Stirling heat engine: Rev. Robert Stirling (1790-1878)
* Electro-magnetic innovations: James Clerk Maxwell (1831-79)
* Carbon brushes for dynamos: George Forbes (1849-1936)
* The Clark cycle gas engine: Sir Dugald Clark (1854-1932)
* Wireless transformer improvements: Sir James Swinburne (1858-1958)
* Cloud chamber recording of atoms: Charles T. R. Wilson (1869-1959)
* Wave-powered electricity generator: Stephen Salter in 1977
* The steamship paddle wheel: Patrick Miller (1731-1815)
* The steam boat: William Symington (1763-1831)
* Europe's first passenger steamboat: Henry Bell (1767-1830)
* The first iron-hulled steamship: Sir William Fairbairn (1789-1874)
* The first practical screw propeller: Robert Wilson (1803-1882)
* Marine engine innovations: James Howden (1832-1913)
* The carronade cannon: Robert Melville (1723-1809)
* Making cast steel from wrought iron: David Mushet (1772-1847)
* Wrought iron sash bars for glass houses: John C. Loudon (1783-1865)
* The hot blast oven: James Beaumont Neilson (1792-1865)
* The steam hammer: James Nasmyth (1808-1890)
* Wire rope: Robert Stirling Newall (1812-1889)
* Steam engine improvements: William Mcnaught (1831-1881)
* The Fairlie, a Narrow gauge, double-bogey railway engine: Robert Francis Fairlie (1831-1885)
* Threshing machine improvements: James Meikle (c.1690-c.1780) & Andrew Meikle (1719-1811)
* Hollow pipe drainage: Sir Hugh Dalrymple, Lord Drummore (1700-1753)
* The Scotch Plough: James Anderson of Hermiston (1739-1808)
* Deanstonisation soil-drainage system: James Smith (1789-1850)
* The mechanical reaping machine: Rev. Patrick Bell (1799-1869)
* The Fresno Scraper: James Porteous (1848-1922)
* The Tuley tree shelter: Graham Tuley in 1979
* Print stereotyping: William Ged (1690-1749)
* The balloon post: John Anderson (1726-1796)
* The adhesive postage stamp and the postmark: James Chalmers (1782-1853)
* The post office
* The mail-van service
* Universal Standard Time: Sir Sandford Fleming (1827-1915)
* Light signalling between ships: Admiral Philip H. Colomb (1831-1899)
* The telephone: Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922) [ debated ]
* The teleprinter: Frederick G. Creed (1871-1957)
* The television: John Logie Baird (1888-1946)
* Radar: Robert Watson-Watt (1892-1973)
* Logarithms: John Napier (1550-1617)
* Popularising the decimal point: John Napier (1550-1617)
* The Gregorian telescope: James Gregory (1638-1675)
* The concept of latent heat: Joseph Black (1728-1799)
* The pyroscope, atmometer and aethrioscope scientific instruments: Sir John Leslie (1766-1832)
* Identifying the nucleus in living cells: Robert Browen (1773-1858)
* Hypnosis: James Braid (1795-1860)
* Colloid chemistry: Thomas Graham (1805-1869)
* The kelvin SI unit of temperature: William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907)
* Devising the diagramatic system of representing chemical bonds: Alexander Crum Brown (1838-1922)
* Criminal fingerprinting: Henry Faulds (1843-1930)
* The noble gases: Sir William Ramsay (1852-1916)
* Pioneering work on nutrition and poverty: John Boyd Orr (1880-1971)
* The ultrasound scanner: Ian Donald (1910-1987)
* Ferrocene synthetic substances: Peter Ludwig Pauson in 1955
* The MRI body scanner: John Mallard in 1980
* The first cloned mammal (Dolly the Sheep): The Roslin Institute research centre in 1996
* Devising the cure for scurvy: James Lind (1716-1794)
* Discovering quinine as the cure for malaria: George Cleghorn (1716-1794)
* Pioneering the use of surgical anaesthesia: Sir James Young Simpson (1811-1870)
* The hypodermic syringe: Alexander Wood (1817-1884)
* Pioneering the use of antiseptics: Joseph Lister (1827-1912)
* Identifying the mosquito as the carrier of malaria: Sir Ronald Ross (1857-1932)
* Identifying the cause of brucellosis: Sir David Bruce (1855-1931)
* Discovering the vaccine for typhoid fever: Sir William B. Leishman (1865-1926)
* Discovering insulin: John J R Macleod (1876-1935) with others
* Penicillin: Sir Alexander Fleming (1881-1955)
* Discovering an effective tuberculosis treatment: Sir John Crofton in the 1950s
* Primary creator of the artificial kidney (Professor Kenneth Lowe - Later Queen's physician in Scotland)
* Developing the first beta-blocker drugs: Sir James W. Black in 1964
* Glasgow Coma Scale: Graham Teasdale and Bryan J. Jennett (1974)
* The Dewar Flask: Sir James Dewar (1847-1932)
* The piano with footpedals: John Broadwood (1732-1812)
* The waterproof macintosh: Charles Macintosh (1766-1843)
* The kaleidoscope: Sir David Brewster (1781-1868)
* The modern lawnmower: Alexander Shanks (1801-1845)
* The Lucifer friction match: Sir Isaac Holden (1807-1897){
* Paraffin: James Young (1811-1883)
* The fountain pen: Robert Thomson (1822-1873)
* Cotton-reel thread: J & J Clark of Paisley
* Lime Cordial: Lachlan Rose in 1867
* Bovril beef extract: John Lawson Johnston in 1874
* The life ring, or personal flotation device: Captain Ward in 1854
*The Ferguson rifle: Patrick Ferguson in 1770 or 1776
* The Lee bolt system as used in the Lee-Metford and Lee-Enfield series rifles: James Paris Lee

Wales:
* Radar
* X-rays
* Fuel Cells

Oh and most of your space program was German... Along with most influential physists.... (Einstein, Oppehimier, Von Braun...)

Oh and we've patents (mine to be exact) for a clockwork repeating crossbow and preaccelerated Gaussian linear accelerator weapons.

[Nick]

Cantr - Dutch

And as for the easy to get, highly affordable nuclear reactor for a dictatorship near YOU, the CANDU reactor...

Canadian and proud.

[Schme]

. Which is the only reason they got involved.

That's hardly true. Hitler declared war on the United States after the United States declared war on Japan, although he was certainly not planning to attack them, being on the run as he was. But I think Rosevelt finally got that he couldn't keep playing both sides.

And anyway, the war would have been lost very early on if the French and British governments hadn't been able to rustle up troops from their respective empires (including the territories of Canada & the US)

This is very true. However, the Dominion of Canada had not been a "territory" since 1867, and the United States were not constitutionally affiliated with Great Britain at all. Canada was and is undeniably part of the Empire, but after the experience of the first world war, some things happened on our end. Just to say.



Canada sure loves it’s dictators. Those military despots and their shananigans…What crazy schemes will they get up to next?

[kinvoya]

List of things in Crazy Moon language

[Joshuamonkey]

Transport

Railways

I think the US was the one who went crazy with transportation, specifically railroads.

Canada had a lot to do with making the atomic Bomb.

edit: for those of you wondering, Quahaki isn't a real city.

[sanchez]

Wondering how those lists would pair up limited to inventions after 1950...

[Pie]

PENUT BUTTER TRUMPS ALL!!!!