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The Finnish translation

Postby SekoETC » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:42 pm

Moved from the In which other language could you play Cantr? topic.

The problem is that I don't know how flexible the translating options are, for example is it possible to store more than one version of things like "a man in his twenties" and such? since with correct grammar both the descriptive word ("parikymppinen") and the main word ("mies") would be declinated in some cases. For example, the exact translation for "you see a man in his twenties hurt a woman in her twenties" would go "näet parikymppisen miehen vahingoittavan parikymppistä naista". If we use a different structure that includes the word "how", "näet kuinka parikymppinen mies vahingoittaa parikymppistä naista", that allows keeping the subject in it's basic form, but there's still no fluent way of keeping the object in it's basic form.

Naturally with dynamic naming, all that can be done is adding a suffix in the end of the name - in some cases it will be correct, in others not. Many cases would require dropping or changing letters in the middle of a word and I doubt that's possible in any easy way. So the best way is to use sentence structures that have the variable words in the most simple form possible.

Yesterday I wrote a list of the animal names, though yeah, I should concentrate on the most visible things. The only thing I wasn't sure about is the scarab, my therapist and my mom have both used the word "scarabe" but I think it has a plain Finnish name. But what ever the word, it's still gonna give the wrong impression since Cantrian scarabs are friggen huge, judging from the amount of shell you get.

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Name   Nimi
Ikä   Age
Sukupuoli   Gender
Location   Sijainti
Spawning location   Synnyinpaikka

Events         Tapahtumat
Inventory      Omaisuus/Inventaario/Omat tavarat*
Location      Sijainti
Buildings & Vehicles   Rakennukset ja ajoneuvot
People         Ihmiset
Objects         Esineet
Activity      Toiminta

*) Even though the word "inventaario" is generally understood, it's a foreign loan word. In my opinion, something like "belongings" or "your own items" would be more clear in expressing that these are the things you're holding, which might make people realize the external nature of the objects tab.

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Talk to all   Sano kaikille

Show all   Näytä kaikki
Hide all   Piilota kaikki

man   mies
woman   nainen

in his/her twenties   parikymppinen
in his/her thirties   kolmikymppinen
in his/her fourties   nelikymppinen
in his/her fifties   viisikymppinen
in his/her sixties   kuusikymppinen
in his/her seventies   seitsenkymppinen
in his/her eighties   kahdeksankymppinen
very old      ikivanha

says      sanoo
you see (how)   näet kuinka


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notes   raws&items      coins   keys   Show all
viestit   raaka-aineet ja esineet   kolikot   avaimet   Näytä kaikki
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Postby SekoETC » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:48 pm

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Ota yhteyttä Cantr II:n osastoihin

(Comment: A literal translation, though osasto could also mean a hospital ward so maybe some defining term would be in order.)

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Cantr II on <strong>online-roolipeli</strong> jossa suuri määrä ihmisiä pelaa vielä suurempaa määrä hahmoja, jotka yhdessä muodostavat yhteiskuntia eri puolilla virtuaalimaailmaamme. Eri kielet muodostavat omia yhteisöjään, mutta kaikki kieliryhmät pelaavat kuitenkin samassa virtuaalimaailmassa.

Pelaten aina <strong>kunkin yksittäisen hahmon näkökulmasta</strong>, voit koettaa olla vaikkapa maailman kuuluisin poliitikko, pelätyin rikollinen, viekkain sotilaskomentaja, rikkain yrittäjä tai rakastetuin kylähullu. Tässä pelissä <strong>mikä tahansa rooli, jota kuvitella saattaa</strong> on pelattavissa ja haastavuus perustuu sen johdonmukaiseen esittämiseen ja niiden päämäärien täyttämiseen, joita asetat hahmoillesi yksilökohtaisesti.

Cantr II on <strong>hidastempoinen peli</strong>. Monet pelaavat sitä vain muutaman minuutin päivässä per hahmo ja yhden kokouksen pelaaminen voi viedä kokonaisen viikon. Peli on suunniteltu henkilöille joilla on muutakin tekemistä kuin pelkkä pelaaminen. Voit kuitenkin luoda yhteensä <strong>jopa viisitoista hahmoa</strong> ja kun ne kaikki ovat tiiviisti mukana oman yhteisönsä toiminnassa, siinä riittää tekemistä koko päiväksi. Varoitukseksi sanottakoon että monien pelaajien mielestä Cantr II aiheuttaa herkästi <strong>riippuvuusoireita</strong>! ;)

Vaikkakin jonkin verran edeltävää kielitaitoa vaaditaan ennen kuin voit pelata kyseisessä kieliryhmässä, peliä voidaan hyvin käyttää oppiympäristönä <strong>vieraan kielen harjoittelussa</strong>. Kunhan luot yhden tai pari hahmoa sillä kielellä jota opiskelet, niin pääset tuon kielen käyttäjien keskuuteen. Rai voit pelata hahmoa ja välillä pysähtyä katsomaan minkälaisia yhteiskunnallisia rakenteita lähistöllä muodostuu, mikä voi olla hyvinkin <strong>opettavaista</strong>.

Huomaa että sivuston kääntäminen eri kielille on jatkuva prosessi, joten jos käytät sitä jollain muulla kielellä kuin englanniksi, tulet silti mitä luultavimmin kohtaamaan jonkin verran englantia.

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Alue   Ketju   Viimeisin muutos
within last hour = tunnin sisään
hour(s) ago = tunti(a) sitten

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Wikin sivu   Viimeksi päivitetty
today = tänään
yesterday = eilen


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I'd appreciate some comments from a Finnish native (if we have any besides me). Sometimes it's hard to know wether to follow the original text strictly or to use structures that sound more fluent.
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Re: The Finnish translation

Postby Junesun » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:53 pm

The problem is that I don't know how flexible the translating options are, for example is it possible to store more than one version of things like "a man in his twenties" and such? since with correct grammar both the descriptive word ("parikymppinen") and the main word ("mies") would be declinated in some cases.


This can be handled by a grammar engine that I wrote. Unfortunately I don't have similar information for all languages, or information about how adjectives change, some translators never replied about that.

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Re: The Finnish translation

Postby Jos Elkink » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:53 am

SekoETC wrote:But what ever the word, it's still gonna give the wrong impression since Cantrian scarabs are friggen huge, judging from the amount of shell you get.


LOL!

I love how you bring this kind of attention to detail even to translating! ;)
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Postby Surly » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:16 am

Cantr scarabs are some kind of giant scorpion, right? Because I could kick a scarabs arse without an iron shield and a crossbow in RL...
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Postby wichita » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:51 am

Real life giant beetle.

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Cantrian scarab.

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It's going to be fun trying to handle motion into and out of locations in a Finnsh translation. :?
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Postby Jos Elkink » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:56 am

lol
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Postby 15454 » Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:46 pm

scares me to think that there are millions of those roaming the cantr deserts. or there used to be millions.
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Postby wichita » Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:52 pm

My character killed one with a bone knife! Read my sig. ;)
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Postby Surly » Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:18 pm

15454 wrote:scares me to think that there are millions of those roaming the cantr deserts. or there used to be millions.
Pretty sure it was never that high...
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Postby Nakranoth » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:33 pm

And what's worse is there's still hundreds of the buggers... in each of the fiveish locations on this island... nearly ate me a live.

wichita wrote:My character killed one with a bone knife! Read my sig. ;)


Would love to... but I can't read verticle lines :lol: No charactrs installed... so I couldn't even get it translated by a poor online translater.
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Postby N-Aldwitch » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:08 pm

Nakranoth wrote:Would love to... but I can't read verticle lines :lol: No charactrs installed... so I couldn't even get it translated by a poor online translater.


My computer reads them as question marks lol.
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Postby Joshuamonkey » Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:22 am

what, you don't know English? :?: oh wait..I bet he changed his sig.

It's not entirely ridiculous means it might be slightly ridiculous on some aspects (as in messing up the balance) but not ridiculous enough to call for instant rejection.


As if that's actually English... :lol:
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Re: The Finnish translation

Postby Yömyssy » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:10 pm

SekoETC wrote:very old ikivanha


why not just "hyvin vanha"?
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Postby SekoETC » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:23 pm

I think it sounds better. Why use two words when there's one that covers the combination?
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