The Ballad of Maynard Leeward

[west]

You'd be surprised at the number of supporters Maynard had.

But if people were going to be brought to trial for their past crimes, almost every person in leadership position in the area could be convicted.

[David]

Maily sits atop the Iron/hematite and also has a standing army that developed much faster than most other places as of late... therefore:

"Other places have seen this and have flocked to the Forest's banner"

International politics isn't as sentimental or ideological as it is being presented from various angles in this thread...

its rather much more simple.... Iron+power which with the correct degree of subtly and appearence of agreeability equals allies.... if Maily had the same basic same structure but was head of Seatown Garden rather than Seatown forest... relationships would be much different, in fact... if a more egalitarian regime saw fit to rid this hypothetical Garden of what could be seen as a sentimental Dictatorship, they might just do that, with little protest from other governments... as they would be allied with SF forest for economic reasons regardless... of course diplomacy is important, but leverage is the deciding factor in interregional influence.

[rklenseth]

I would like to know what Maily did or even Donna. What about the members of the Drojf Council or the Nosse. And the MacGregors. AS far as not protecting their people and their homes. Maynard invaded and took over other places and his lackeys slaughtered many people. None of the other leaders have done this or tried to have done this. The only thing close was the war against the Alliance or the Smoke Jaguars and those leaders left Krif to their own design after the Alliance as gone.

And I don't think I would be surprised unless people were lying to Maily about supporting her.

[west]

True.

Anyone else (senior citizens)

remember Jame DeLeo coming back into Drojf in the late 300s telling of Seatown Forest, with its friendly inhabitants, wood and iron, and no government?
Seemed like heaven to people who had just left the Empire and had no wood or iron.

Seems so long ago.

[David]

And not that I agree with any of the conspiracies... the fact that there a fewer rangers in SF and more all over the other places does not even follow that the conspiracies are unfounded, to the contrary, since Maily case a core loyal heavily armed group to defend the home front... having ominous minions throughout the other regions would make most sense, to project influence without appeareance of it neccesarily (or with)

So that very fact could actually give credence to the conspiracy theories... which I don't really take stock in too much...

[rklenseth]

Maily sits atop the Iron/hematite and also has a standing army that developed much faster than most other places as of late...

Umm....What standing army? I don't think there are any active Protector of the Forests anymore since my character went inactive. I'm not sure if Alicia Reed is considered one but she is currently leading the Forest in Maily's absence. The Forest just has a really good ability to locked people up if they become a threat.


And the Forest has never used its power over the iron as a point to gain political or military advantage. It trades freely with anyone but is trying to create some sort of economy which is why there is a restriction on iron. The Forest wants to support manufacturers and the like and their shops and makes special deals with them. And in order to get raw iron, you have to be from a government or group that the Forest's trust. Otherwise the Forest will go and put the iron on the project for you to make sure you aren't mass producing weapons for a secret army. This came to be due to the Smoke Jaguars a long time ago.

remember Jame DeLeo coming back into Drojf in the late 300s telling of Seatown Forest, with its friendly inhabitants, wood and iron, and no government?

Well, I don't think he knew what he was talking about. The Forest was under the Seatown Kingdom before its civil war and eventual downfall. Then Donna and Gregor Mendal took over and ruled the Forest. And that has been the way since the the late 200's. Gregor died and Donna handed the leadership over to Maily.

If Donna had stayed in power, I think things would have been different. Maynard would have been dead long ago. That I am sure of. Maily wanted to be diplomatic for the sake of peace but in the end the evidence that kept mounting up against Maynard (whether or true or not) made Maily think that Maynard must be dealt with. Maily's orginal plan was to take Maynard in peacefully and have a trial in Drojf that was not controlled by the Forest or Krif. I believe the Nosse and the Drojf Council agreed to be the neutral parties in this situation.

And not that I agree with any of the conspiracies... the fact that there a fewer rangers in SF and more all over the other places does not even follow that the conspiracies are unfounded, to the contrary, since Maily case a core loyal heavily armed group to defend the home front... having ominous minions throughout the other regions would make most sense, to project influence without appeareance of it neccesarily (or with)

I think you forget that Maily is not involved in the structure of the Rangers or in recruiting them or even arming them. And she has complained before of a lack of Ranger presence in her region. She doesn't want to send her people after others in the region or to investigate things but she has to a lot of times due to the lack of the Rangers presence which has only added fuel to the fire as to why Krif thinks that the Forest is on some conquest thing or something.

And since Jerry has claimed that Maynard was not up to anything then I should say that the Forest was not up to anything either. The Forest does not want to take any place over or control other places as if they were puppets. The Forest simply wants to protect the Forest and their land. Maynard seemed to be a threat and the Forest was dealing with it. And that is why Maynard was killed. If the Forest was used to kill Maynard then kudos to the peron or group who planned such a conspiracy. They have done a hell of a job so far. And if they wanted the Forest and Krif to go to war then they just might have it.

Someone wanted Maynard to look bad in the eyes of the Forest (which wasn't hard since a lot fo the residence are old characters and remember Maynard reign of terror as the Dark Lord of the First Krif Empire) and to have the Forest see Maynard as a threat.
Someone wanted the Forest to knock off Maynard which will look to the eyes of the young population of Krif to be an act of aggression against Krif and the possible theories that the Forest wants to take over the region (which are totally untrue).
So now if Krif mobolizes for war then the Forest will have no option but to defend itself which will lead to an all out war which will either wipe out both sides, or at least one of the sides while weakening the other leading to the possibility of someone other power entering into th region.

[David]

"And the Forest has never used its power etc etc..."

Its the implied power that comes with the situation... allies will gravitate to whoever holds the gold and influence... and Maily has several active well armed supporters which I am suprised you don't know about....
People obviously are less likely to do or say things to displease the Yumm regime because they want to continue friendly relations... and iron is restricted based on the judgement of the Yumm regime, based on the moral judgement of the Yumm regime about who ought to and ought not to have it, which isn't neccesarily a bad thing.

It isn't about whether Maily explicitly holds Iron over peoples heads... the potential allies themselves are self-policing, based on what they believe will not displease the Yumm regime, whether Maily uses that influence isn't important..... the issue is the motivation of "strong" alliances, and stated support... most alliances important interregional alliances are directly tied to economic factors... not ideological parity and agreement on most views. That was the only point being made with respect to that...

To underline the thing about loyal supporters acting as a standing army etc etc...

The very reality that there are a base of supporters that are there that want to maintain the status quo are supporters of the Yumm regime in every real sense of the word anyway... whoever wants to "maintain stability" above all else is automatically supportive of the current regimes in most situations, in practice at least, if not word.

[ephiroll]

Maynard's days had been numbered from 600 on actually, and I knew it long before. I don't have time to touch on everything, but if Mailly thought that Krif had any control over the Rangers then once again she was dead wrong, if Krif had any special influence over the Rangers then how was it that Krif was slaughtered once and almost twice within 3 years time? Both times the "Ranger" on duty "took a walk" right before both attacks and didn't return until days after the attacks were over, not a single Ranger ever helped defend Krif at any time other then to chase down petty unarmed thieves, which is about all the Rangers are good for from what I've seen.

And as most people dont' know, and may not have heard before, Maynard was the one person that stood betwen Simons and the forest. Siomons would have launched an attack around 550 or so if he'd lived and if Maynard had wanted he could have made sure it was successful. Several people also tried to influence Maynard into going to war with the forest when he filled Simons place, funny how the forest knows so much, yet doesn't know how close they were to total destruction.

Far as Mailly goes, she fired first with no proof of anything and the rangers helped her in direct violation of the Rangers code, is or is not doesn't matter, through foolish actions Mailly has made it appear that she was up to something. Those foolish actions range from sheltering crimianls from Krif (the eagles, even though they were latter found to be innocent, Mailly had no way of knowing at the time), to making almost no attempt to actually solve any of the problems that she knew about. Mailly is creating her own problems and blames them on Maynard, Krif, the Rangers and everyone else she's heard a rumour about. And I think it's funny as hell that she's got beef with the Rangers, yet continues to use them as she sees fit.

And yes, word was sent from the forest not to trust Rory, but there's a big difference between warning someone not to trust someone and warning someone that an attack is expected. Rory being let free after it was learned of what he was trying to plan is indication enough that no one in the forest or any Rangers who knew of it had any concern for what would happen, therefore drawing suspicion to anyone who knew about it regardless of any reasons behind it. Turn the tables on that, what would the forest have done if Mailly found out that someone was coming after her and that people capable of getting a warnign to her didn't? Sorta make you think the person that didn't say anything is one of the people behind it doesnt' it?

But in the end it doesn't matter, because we all know that we keep that region going in the direction it's going because it's just so damn fun.

[ephiroll]

You'd be surprised at the number of supporters Maynard had.

But if people were going to be brought to trial for their past crimes, almost every person in leadership position in the area could be convicted.

Everyone over 30 anyway, especially Gregor, he and Maynard are probly about tied in what they've done to people, only difference is that Maynard openly admitted and made no excuses.

And everyone would be just as surprised at the number of people who hate Mailly.

And from another bit I noticed, I don't "claim" that Maynard wasn't up to anything, I'm telling the facts as truthfully as I learned them through Maynard. Also, unlike most other major players in that area, I don't have other chars to draw info from, Maynard was the only char I had in that region for about 28 years, and if Maynard didn't know it then I didn't know it.

[sirlaser]

wHERE is that dude from????????

[David]

I have many characters in the S/K/D surrounding areas... not that I meant for them to be there... they spawned around there though and most of them have no reason or desire to completely leave the area entirely...

Same thing happened on Kwor Island, they are all in different regions at the moment... I have 3 characters there, and without building boats there isn't much choice but to keep them there.

I've got 2 or 3 characters that spawned around the Naron/Xiria area that a roaming about...

No chars on Sring Sring Island right now... or Lad... except for the ones that spawned in Naron.

[griogal]

You'd be surprised at the number of supporters Maynard had.

But if people were going to be brought to trial for their past crimes, almost every person in leadership position in the area could be convicted.

Everyone over 30 anyway, especially Gregor, he and Maynard are probly about tied in what they've done to people, only difference is that Maynard openly admitted and made no excuses.

What crimes? Is killing brigands a crime nowadays?

[ephiroll]

Not nowdays, times long gone, Maynard heard stories about how the Gregors got started, and it wasn't really that much different, but on a smaller scale then what Maynard did in the past. Maynard had vaste resources at his disposal til he died, so anything he did was on an equally large scale. But Maynard had already proved that he could go for and win a military victory, this time around he was shooting for a political/economic victory...he shoulda stuck with what he knew ...hindsight is always 20/20.

And i just noticed, I meant ot say earlier that Maynard was my only char in the region for 18, not 28 years. That region is the only region I've never had a "pocket" of chars spawned at before the spawning rules changed.

[ephiroll]

wHERE is that dude from????????

Who? Maynard? Just read all the posts under this topic and they'll explain everything. Doesn't matter, he's dead, so he's not someone you gotta worry about meeting anyway.

[Thomas Pickert]

Another outdated thread I have entirely read only today.

The question was raised who killed Korgan Bloodaxe.

The final blow was dealt by Gregar, the previous blow by someone he underestimated.

Korgan made the mistake to hit an innocent and unarmed young female. Wait, that was not the mistake. He made the mistake not to apologize. He accumulated two more mistakes by telling her that she had 'a temper', when she demanded that apology, and by telling her furthermore, that, if she was to harm him, 'a huge army' was standing behind him, implying that she had to be scared by this.

Not a diplomatic way to talk to a warrior by nature, female or not.

It took her about 2 Cantr years to get equipped with an iron shield and a crossbow. Thanks, Gregar!

Ah well, she was all about respect, even in her youngest days.


That getting hit for no reason was also actually the incentive for the general philosophy of the Forest since then. The Forest was meant to be a safe haven for innocent travellers, and the secondary objective was to bring peace to the whole region.
That is the reason why iron was at some point fully restricted to people who were trusted not to use it for forging weapons that were meant to start more violence.
That is the reason why a whole army of Warriors had been created out of nothing within a few days after receiving word that a gang called the 'Smoke Jaguars' had violently taken over A peaceful locatíon named Drojf.
It's also the reason why the Warriors retreated from Krif once they made sure no Smoke Jaguar was left to oppress the people there. Peace was sought, not power.

The general turmoil in the region, however, would have made it a mission of a century to confiscate all steel weapons in the region, and all resources to make more steel. If Donna hadn't eventually been retired by her player, the plan might eventually have worked out. At any given time, I believe, the number of loyal Warriors and ex-Warriors outnumbered the traitors and the powerhungry. At any given time, the former would have been ready to deal with the latter in a final manner, and after that to harvest the steel weapons.

Anyway, Donna was retired eventually, handed things over to Maily, who did an excellent job in many aspects. Maily was more liberal, though, established a more or less free iron trade, and was more about being liked by the people. I am fairly sure, that Maily carried on the general philosphy of the Forest to make it a safe haven and to primarily protect its residents. Power might every now and then have been attracting (I think, there was once an episode where a character was about to become a personal slave), but overall, peace was the ultimate goal.

I understand, though, that the Forest's strict, swift, and non-popularity-seeking way of dealing with (from their point-of-view) threats to the peace polarizes people. Some might argue, that it is the responsibility of a naturally powerful location like the Forest to watch over the less developed locations, and to remove any possible troublemakers instantly, especially those who posed a direct threat to the Forest itself.
Others might argue, that the Forest doesn't know a thing about the history of those other locations, and they should leave them alone and have them settle their quarrels among themselves.
Whatever group you belong to, I assure you, that the Forest was never after power or oil... I mean iron.