The Ballad of Maynard Leeward

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Postby rklenseth » Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:39 am

Not really sure who killed Korgan. Rumor had it that Craktar had him killed in Seatown Gardens. Then again rumor had it that Craktar killed Maynard too :wink: .

I believed James once told Maily (or was it Donna) that there is a whole underground network that no one knows about. James has seen part of it but he never really knew much about it. When Maynard returned, he saw this underground network pick up speed and so he thought that Maynard was behind it. That is why James and Donna made a plan (behind Maily's because they knew that she would never agree to it) to have James return to Maynard and claim his loyalty with him and hopefully work again as a spy for Maynard. With this, James hoped to enter this underground world that he thought was controlled by Maynard. These plans changed with the capture of Alicia Scarlett, Abelard Lindsey, and a few others that will remain unknown at this time.

Anyways, these are things I would like to point out;

1. Someone wanted Maynard dead and wanted it at the hands of the Forest.
2. Someone wanted Emperor Durin knocked off and to make it look like Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles were behind it.
3. Someone wanted Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles dead.
4. Someone wants Krif and the Forest to go to war.
5. Someone wants the Rangers to look bad.
6. Someone wanted Arachon dead.
7. Someone wanted to steal the Forest's boat and attack Krif and Drojf and make it look like the Forest was behind it.
8. Someone wanted Rory MacGregor to attack Krif and make it look like the Forest was aiding him.
9. Someone wants Krif weakened; note all the recent attacks on Krif.
10. Someone wants the Forest to believe there are shadows at every corner; note the conspiracies being leaked into the Forest about people. Now the Forest is almost on a paranoid state.

Possible conspirators;

1. Gunny and his people; it was later found out that it was they that really killed Emperor Durin. Glen Morangie and Donna Trent attacked them and wiped them out to the man. Even after Gunny and his people were killed, there was evidence that turned up that he was working for Maynard.
2. Abelard Lindsey; attacked up and down the roads of Drojf and Krif, creating havoc. He escaped pursuers but later someone pointed him out to the Forest where he was trying to hide and the Forest captured him. He was well armed. Later, under interrogation, he claimed to have been working for Maynard to create choas in the region so that Maynard could step in as the hero and clear everything up in the end. Maynard later claimed to have never worked with this man.
3. Garry; originally worked for Emperor Durin. Tipped off the Forest about an attack on Emperor Durin before it even happened. Donna Trent left and was able to get to the Western Hills just after the attack that later was blamed on Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles. Tipped off the Forest again by pointing out a Lt. York, that was supposedly a Krif Eagle and involved in the 'forged' accounts of Durin's murder, that was found out to be working with a Forest resident named Lucie McSea. He usually travels around the Hills and the Seatown area.
4. Lt. Alvin York; was in the forged accounts of Durin's murder. Silverfoot nor Sgt. Hunter ever knew the man and he wasn't a Krif Eagle. Was later pointed out by Garry to the Forest and found to be conspiring with the Forest resident Lucie McSea. He died while under interrogation by the Forest. He never said anything.
5. Lucie McSea; where she came from is unknown. Showed up in the Forest one day and wanted to be a resident. She built a room in the Lee's Apartments. She was later caught conspiring with Lt. York after he was pointed out by Garry. The Forest broke in her room to later find her building tools and machines that could be used to build powerful steel weapons. This was suspcious because she had access to the such tools and machines in other buildings where she would be under supervision. She obviously wanted to keep this a secret. She later denied ever knowing Lt. York or anything and died under interrogation.
6. Kiefer Sutherland; as of yet no one knows (but maybe Maynard) who this person is. At least two people that have been captured in the Forest have claimed to be him. Other people have pointed out other people to be this Sutherland. Perhaps, Sutherland wasn't really working for Maynard but had other ties.
7. The men who took over the defenses of Krif after the Krif Eagles; they later turned traitor and were behind the first attacks on Krif.
8. Rory MacGregor; after being turned away by the Forest about aiding him on an attack on Maynard, he then got caught up in the Silverfoot affair where he claimed that he saw Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles attack Durin. His followers then abandoned him in the Hills where most of them went to the Forest to make a new living. He then suddenly comes up a bunch of new followers, builds a boat, and then attacks Krif. He was also able to arm his new followers very well.
9. Alicia Scarlett; was captured by the Forest after it was found out that she was spying on them. She later claimed to be spying for Maynard but then took those comments back. She also claimed to be in love with Maynard (she also took back those comments) and said she was conspiring with Maynard. She also said that Lucius Blackheart and Maynard were good buddies and that Blackheart was really a puppet for Maynard who controlled the Krif Counsil. She then asked Silverfoot to join her in fighting them. Silverfoot refused and told Maily this.
10. Arachon; rumors claim that he and his people are working for Maynard. He took over the Western Hills after Durin was killed. There are many rumors on him and he is a very mysterious man. He wants to be part of the regional union really bad and has tried to gain both Devon Dobbs of the Northern Hills and Maily's support to petition the other regional leaders to get him entry into the union.

These are just some that come to mind.

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Postby David » Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:45 am

hhmmm... well over 4 days ago I had a character in Drojf Hills (north) who witnessed Maily Yumm, Devon Dobbs, and several other hangers on, going out on some big expedition... they left to go to Drojf hills (west) or some such place... I think... this was just before Maynard's Murder I think...
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Postby west » Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:49 am

rklenseth wrote:Possible conspirators;
2. Abelard Lindsey; attacked up and down the roads of Drojf and Krif, creating havoc. He escaped pursuers but later someone pointed him out to the Forest where he was trying to hide and the Forest captured him. He was well armed. Later, under interrogation, he claimed to have been working for Maynard to create choas in the region so that Maynard could step in as the hero and clear everything up in the end. Maynard later claimed to have never worked with this man.

6. Kiefer Sutherland; as of yet no one knows (but maybe Maynard) who this person is. At least two people that have been captured in the Forest have claimed to be him. Other people have pointed out other people to be this Sutherland. Perhaps, Sutherland wasn't really working for Maynard but had other ties.

7. The men who took over the defenses of Krif after the Krif Eagles; they later turned traitor and were behind the first attacks on Krif.

8. Rory MacGregor; after being turned away by the Forest about aiding him on an attack on Maynard, he then got caught up in the Silverfoot affair where he claimed that he saw Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles attack Durin. His followers then abandoned him in the Hills where most of them went to the Forest to make a new living. He then suddenly comes up a bunch of new followers, builds a boat, and then attacks Krif. He was also able to arm his new followers very well.

9. Alicia Scarlett; was captured by the Forest after it was found out that she was spying on them. She later claimed to be spying for Maynard but then took those comments back. She also claimed to be in love with Maynard (she also took back those comments) and said she was conspiring with Maynard. She also said that Lucius Blackheart and Maynard were good buddies and that Blackheart was really a puppet for Maynard who controlled the Krif Counsil. She then asked Silverfoot to join her in fighting them. Silverfoot refused and told Maily this.

10. Arachon; rumors claim that he and his people are working for Maynard. He took over the Western Hills after Durin was killed. There are many rumors on him and he is a very mysterious man. He wants to be part of the regional union really bad and has tried to gain both Devon Dobbs of the Northern Hills and Maily's support to petition the other regional leaders to get him entry into the union.

These are just some that come to mind..


2. Maynard never did work with Abelard Lindsey. His personal name for Abelard was ABELARD LINDSEY ATTACKED PEOPLE ON ROAD MUST DIE
so I doubt he had anything to do with him. :)

6. Southerland was once a spy for Maynard, true, but hadn't been for a while. I believe several Rangers found him locked up in the old Krif Dark Legion building and broke the lock a few years ago, after he had knocked on the door to the storage room every day for years. Two of my characters recognize him on sight. He was apparently locked up for over 4 years; too long to have been a conspirator.

7. If you mean Matthew Hardy, Valentine Wiggin, Abelard, and Richard Van Hook, they were all either captured or killed...except possibly Valentine. All were pursued & injured either by Maynard or his men or Krif citizens, except for Abelard, who slipped away from his persuers and is now rotting in SF.

8. He got his new followers in Pak. The town is boring as hell; no wonder he could get people so easily.

9. Alicia Scarlet. Too melodramatic to be bright enough to be behind this.

10. Arachon came after the Silverfoot incident; he couldn't have been working for Maynard as Maynard was doing merely KSF work in Krif, Seatown, and Seatown Forest for years before and after the Silverfoot thing and didn't have any 'alone-time' to conspire with anyone.

To the best of my knowledge, this is all correct.
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Postby Pirate Lass » Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:33 pm

Valentine is long dead.
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Postby griogal » Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:59 pm

rklenseth wrote:Possible conspirators;

1. Gunny and his people; it was later found out that it was they that really killed Emperor Durin. Glen Morangie and Donna Trent attacked them and wiped them out to the man. Even after Gunny and his people were killed, there was evidence that turned up that he was working for Maynard.

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If this is true, Glen is really becoming a legend.
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Postby jeslange » Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:12 pm

By Gunny, you must mean Gunner? He was killed by someone else. You might be thinking of Gunner's pal, who was killed by Donna and Vender, after making the mistake of hitting Donna in the hills.
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Postby west » Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:36 pm

UPDATE: Piratey goodness is right. Just found out that Valentine died as well.
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Postby ephiroll » Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:38 pm

Pirate Lass wrote:Valentine is long dead.


Really? How did it happen? Maynard met a guy on the road that offered to chase her down for him, but that guy never showed up in Krif like he was sopposed to, I figured he lost interest and wondered off.
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Postby ephiroll » Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:52 pm

rklenseth wrote:
Possible conspirators;

1. Gunny and his people; it was later found out that it was they that really killed Emperor Durin. Glen Morangie and Donna Trent attacked them and wiped them out to the man. Even after Gunny and his people were killed, there was evidence that turned up that he was working for Maynard.
2. Abelard Lindsey; attacked up and down the roads of Drojf and Krif, creating havoc. He escaped pursuers but later someone pointed him out to the Forest where he was trying to hide and the Forest captured him. He was well armed. Later, under interrogation, he claimed to have been working for Maynard to create choas in the region so that Maynard could step in as the hero and clear everything up in the end. Maynard later claimed to have never worked with this man.
3. Garry; originally worked for Emperor Durin. Tipped off the Forest about an attack on Emperor Durin before it even happened. Donna Trent left and was able to get to the Western Hills just after the attack that later was blamed on Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles. Tipped off the Forest again by pointing out a Lt. York, that was supposedly a Krif Eagle and involved in the 'forged' accounts of Durin's murder, that was found out to be working with a Forest resident named Lucie McSea. He usually travels around the Hills and the Seatown area.
4. Lt. Alvin York; was in the forged accounts of Durin's murder. Silverfoot nor Sgt. Hunter ever knew the man and he wasn't a Krif Eagle. Was later pointed out by Garry to the Forest and found to be conspiring with the Forest resident Lucie McSea. He died while under interrogation by the Forest. He never said anything.
5. Lucie McSea; where she came from is unknown. Showed up in the Forest one day and wanted to be a resident. She built a room in the Lee's Apartments. She was later caught conspiring with Lt. York after he was pointed out by Garry. The Forest broke in her room to later find her building tools and machines that could be used to build powerful steel weapons. This was suspcious because she had access to the such tools and machines in other buildings where she would be under supervision. She obviously wanted to keep this a secret. She later denied ever knowing Lt. York or anything and died under interrogation.
6. Kiefer Sutherland; as of yet no one knows (but maybe Maynard) who this person is. At least two people that have been captured in the Forest have claimed to be him. Other people have pointed out other people to be this Sutherland. Perhaps, Sutherland wasn't really working for Maynard but had other ties.
7. The men who took over the defenses of Krif after the Krif Eagles; they later turned traitor and were behind the first attacks on Krif.
8. Rory MacGregor; after being turned away by the Forest about aiding him on an attack on Maynard, he then got caught up in the Silverfoot affair where he claimed that he saw Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles attack Durin. His followers then abandoned him in the Hills where most of them went to the Forest to make a new living. He then suddenly comes up a bunch of new followers, builds a boat, and then attacks Krif. He was also able to arm his new followers very well.
9. Alicia Scarlett; was captured by the Forest after it was found out that she was spying on them. She later claimed to be spying for Maynard but then took those comments back. She also claimed to be in love with Maynard (she also took back those comments) and said she was conspiring with Maynard. She also said that Lucius Blackheart and Maynard were good buddies and that Blackheart was really a puppet for Maynard who controlled the Krif Counsil. She then asked Silverfoot to join her in fighting them. Silverfoot refused and told Maily this.
10. Arachon; rumors claim that he and his people are working for Maynard. He took over the Western Hills after Durin was killed. There are many rumors on him and he is a very mysterious man. He wants to be part of the regional union really bad and has tried to gain both Devon Dobbs of the Northern Hills and Maily's support to petition the other regional leaders to get him entry into the union.

These are just some that come to mind.

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1. Maynard never met this "Gunny", and i don't even know who he is, so obviously he never worked for Maynard.

2. Far as Maynard knew Abelard was a petty criminal that Maynard witinessed attack some people on the road and got away because someone else was sopposed to be going after him, he never worked for Maynard.

3. Gerry was suspected by Maynard, but just because of his relationship with Anderton who Maynard believed to be a part of whatever was going on.

4. Lt. York, Maynard never met, and knows nothing about him.

5. Same for Lucie McSea.

6. Keifer worked for Maynard for years, and for much of that time was the only person Maynard trusted, Maynard knew Keifer wasn't involved.

7. Men who took over defense of Krif, would depend on who, I'm assuming Richard who attacked with Valentine and the other guy, all but Valentine was killed before any info could be gained, and all info Maynard got from Valentine died with him.

8. Rory never had a chance, and was but a puppet of a higher power.

9. Alicia Scarlet was at the top of Maynard's suspect list, killed (or committed suicide) before he could gain any more info from her.

10. Arachon, Maynard also didn't know and knew nothing about.

And the people making the Rangers look bad are the Rangers and Mailly, who according to info told to Maynard directly from a couple different Rangers, seemed to be using them as a tool to further her own gains. Maynard had enough info to convence him to petion for the rangers to be outlawed when he got back to Krif, which he never made it back to do, and once again, most of the info he had from the Rangers was lost with his death. It wasn't just rumors either, three Rangers had offered Maynard their loyalty within the last three years because of maltreatment and suspicous actions on the part of Mailly and others around the forest.
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Postby west » Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:59 pm

ephiroll wrote:
Pirate Lass wrote:Valentine is long dead.


Really? How did it happen? Maynard met a guy on the road that offered to chase her down for him, but that guy never showed up in Krif like he was sopposed to, I figured he lost interest and wondered off.


He showed up 'somewhere else' quite recently and said he had killed both of them. (richard and Valentine)
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Postby jeslange » Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:55 pm

Deputy Green's accusations were so obviously wrong, that nothing would have come from that. Maily asked who would serve as jailor while she was out of the Forest, and Deputy Green vlounteered. Maily gave him an instruction note regarding the 4 people in detainment. He went into the wrong building, and struck the wrong people. Then he tried to deny it, even though he showed someone the instruction note and they could very clearly see where he had made a mistake. Then he whined to Maynard about how they were wrong and blah blah blah. Green had only been in the Forest a short time anyway.
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Postby jeslange » Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:59 pm

And if any Rangers were offering loyalty to Maynard after he stepped down as a leader, then that's bad business. That'd be against their code, and Gregor, Maynard, Drojf's Counsil, and Maily all agreed that breaking the code was worth the Ranger's death.
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Postby ephiroll » Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:11 am

Green was the third Ranger to approach Maynard about concerns they had about some things, the other two I never seen again, new players I think and the chars drifted off, the first was all the way back around 630 or 40. And the Rangers are getting themselves into enough trouble anyway, if any of them knew about Rory, for instance, then they broke their code of conduct themselves, and the Ranger that helped kill Maynard was also in breach of the Ranger code. He acted and took Mailly's orders without question, if anything Maynard's fate should have been decided as Alicia's was, it was against everything the Rangers were sopposed to be about for any of them to help kill Maynard that day, especially since I know there is no way for them to have any proof of Maynard being involved in anything. The Rangers were also about to come under fire from other individuals that will remain unnamed...
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Postby rklenseth » Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:40 am

6. Southerland was once a spy for Maynard, true, but hadn't been for a while. I believe several Rangers found him locked up in the old Krif Dark Legion building and broke the lock a few years ago, after he had knocked on the door to the storage room every day for years. Two of my characters recognize him on sight. He was apparently locked up for over 4 years; too long to have been a conspirator


That would make sense. If Sutherland was locked up then that would give the perfect opportunity for other people to become Sutherland. The Forest knew that Sutherland was a spy for Maynard for a long time. Alicia Scarlett admitted that Sutherland was spying for Maynard after she was captured. The Forest got a little bit paranoid at this point. In that time they captured two suspcious people in the Forest who later claimed to be Sutherland. One of them was a Ranger who was really making the Rangers look bad. The Forest was also getting information from other sources that a man by the name of Sutherland was creating disturbance across the region. With the knowledge that Sutherland worked for Maynard, the Forest thought that Maynard was up to something. It now makes sense that these rumors of this Sutherland spanned the whole region in such a short time. It was because there was more than one and why information was freely given to the Forest that this Sutherland was working for Maynard.

7. If you mean Matthew Hardy, Valentine Wiggin, Abelard, and Richard Van Hook, they were all either captured or killed...except possibly Valentine. All were pursued & injured either by Maynard or his men or Krif citizens, except for Abelard, who slipped away from his persuers and is now rotting in SF


They were the men that were put in charge of the defenses after Krif exiled Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles after they were set up for Durin's murder after they got information that Durin was behind the sneak attacks on Krif. They later betrayed Krif and attacked Krif itself. Are these the same men?

Jeslange, I actually did mean Gunner and not Gunny. I keep mixing two characters from two different areas.

After Durin was killed this Arachon came along. He took over the Western Hills. It was believed that he came from Seatown Gardens. Now if I remember correctly both Donna and Maily felt that something was up in the Gardens. Maily even told James that she had trustworthy people in the Gardens spying on the mysterious people up there.

It is obvious to me that someone definitely wants the Forest and Krif to go to war.

Jerry, Maily doesn't control the Rangers. In fact, Maily is often known to complain that the Rangers serve only Krif and Maynard. It think it was up until recently that two Rangers stationed up in the Forest or around the Forest. Those being Ranger Locke and Seven. Before that, the only Rangers that came by were those that were collecting resources. Comparitively to two Rangers for the whole of the Hills and the Seatown Area to all the Rangers in Krif, Drojf, and Krif Hills it isn't fair. Especially since the Forest has a population that dwarves Drojf and Krif with many other communities growing (Seatown, the Gardens, the Northern Hills, and the Western Hills). If Maily controlled the Rangers then why aren't there more Rangers in the area that she rules and the areas that surround it?

And I wouldn't say that the Drojf Council, Nosse, or any of the other places that have claimed to be puppets of Maily. All those groups made their own decision to ally with the Forest. Maily never forced them to ally with her. I think Krif is just jealous that it seems that everyone trusts and allies with the Forest, not all that surprising considering Krif's history and how they have treated other places. Hey, even though the Forest freed Krif from the Alliance tyranny, it still came up with conspiracy theories that the Forest did it only to gain control of Krif even though the Forest went back to their home and stayed out of there affairs until it seemed likely that Emperor Simons was going to try a war of conquest. Now Krif wonders why everyone has turned to the Forest who has done nothing to alienate them. Maybe if Krif remembered their history and how they always spit on everyone else and think that they are better than everyone else and tried to gain respect rather than demand respect then they might have a chance of gaining allies, trust, and respect.
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Postby rklenseth » Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:19 am

ephiroll wrote:Green was the third Ranger to approach Maynard about concerns they had about some things, the other two I never seen again, new players I think and the chars drifted off, the first was all the way back around 630 or 40. And the Rangers are getting themselves into enough trouble anyway, if any of them knew about Rory, for instance, then they broke their code of conduct themselves, and the Ranger that helped kill Maynard was also in breach of the Ranger code. He acted and took Mailly's orders without question, if anything Maynard's fate should have been decided as Alicia's was, it was against everything the Rangers were sopposed to be about for any of them to help kill Maynard that day, especially since I know there is no way for them to have any proof of Maynard being involved in anything. The Rangers were also about to come under fire from other individuals that will remain unnamed...


Since this is now four days old, I think it is safe to say now.

After Maynard left, Ranger Green was again locked up after doing something suspcious. It was while he was locked up that he claimed to be Sutherland. The second person captured by the Forest to claim this. He was also making the Rangers look bad in a lot of places. He often insulted people (which is why he was locked up the first time) and blamed people for his mistakes (such as attacking residents of the Forest and claimed Maily told him to) that he was only responsible for.

So I think that destroys any trustworthiness that Ranger Green ever had.

Another problem with Rory. Even if the Forest or the Rangers (whom I don't think know about the whole Rory wanting to take out Maynard thing) had told Krif that Rory wanted to kill Maynard then I think the MacGregors would then come in conflict with Krif considering the MacGregors claim to protect their own, Black Sheep or not. The Forest was hoping that they could control Rory and make a respectable man of him. The Forest erred in this situation.

I also believe that Maily did send word to Krif about not trusting Rory after he entered into the Silverfoot Affair. The Forest was still wondering what the hell he was doing. It seems obvious now that Rory did it to gain trust from Krif so that he could attack Krif without then becoming suspcious of what he was doing.

Alicia Scarlett is also not dead but as far as her whereabouts or situation that will remain unknown considering it could still lead to future events. :wink:

And when you say that Maynard's and Alicia's fates should have been decided, you mean that Krif should decide as it seems that Krif always believe itself better than or more powerful than everyone else so they can pass judgement of who then want and they expect it to be carried it out. I think Krif expected the Forest to obey their orders when they told them to execute the Krif Eagles. The Forest didn't obey and at that point said once and for all that they would not be puppets of Krif like every other place had become. Other places have seen this and have flocked to the Forest's banner. The Forest has also called for a international type court for the whole of the region but Krif has refused to listen to this. It was hoped that the Rangers would be a start to such a thing but it has not happened.

And if you think the killing of Maynard was just a conspiracy between the Forest and the Rangers then you are wrong. Other groups were notified and other groups agreed with Maily that eventually Maynard would have to be dealt with. So Maily was definitely not alone on this and the only reason why Krif was never notified or asked for their opinion was because everyone knew that they would never agree and in fact try to shield Maynard from anything. It was hoped that Maynard could be captured and brought to trial (hopefully in Drojf as agreed with the all the involved parties). Some wanted to bring Maynard up on his past crimes, others wanted to bring Maynard up on the alleged conspiracies. I think Maynard's days were numbered anyhow. Maynard didn't have many supporters out there. You don't think Maily would have killed Maynard if she knew that she wouldn't have support from other parties or groups? :wink:

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