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Poll ended at Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:23 pm

Disagree with 1, 2 & 3
15
48%
Disagree with 2 & 3
0
No votes
Disagree with 3
2
6%
I don't wanna take sides
6
19%
Agree with all
8
26%
 
Total votes: 31
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Postby Mykey » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:12 pm

I confirm. So happens. Let's discuss this question. Here or in PM.
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Postby formerly known as hf » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:26 pm

Mykey wrote:Than STFU
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Whoever you vote for.

The government wins.
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Postby Mykey » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:44 pm

In my opinion it is obvious. Try to look for the answer to your question in google.com
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Postby Schme » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:49 pm

The thing about the sex of the God of Judaic scripture is that it's quite plain he is male.

More importantly, the idea of God evolves as you go through the scripture. For most of the Old Testament, and in Judaic scripture, God is an approachable being. He appears in the form of three men, one time to some guy in a tent. He talks directly to people, shouting orders like a drill seargent or giving advice.

Later, in later Christian scripture (and in Jewish practise) as well as in Islamic scripture, God is a very unproachable guy. He'd never in his life talk to someone directly, someone so beneath him as us, and always talks through Prophets or Angels (for the most part.)

The idea of God has changed a great deal over time.

God is Male.

But the thing is, for me, anyways, God is omnipotent. He doesn't have to have a gender. Gender was invented by God, or came about through God's setting life on the evolutionary past. It's just something that came from him. Someone working on their car doesn't need to decide wether they're the wrench or the screwdriver(That's entirely metaphorical, and not slang for anything which I'm aware of. And admitedly, one doesn't often use a screwdriver on a car during normal maintenance.).

God is beyond comprehension by us.

Look at is this way. Heaven, right, is a place where we will be happy forever. How will we be made happy? With concubines, with luxurious goods, with not having to do anything laborious, with drugs? All of that is already on Earth, and some of the people who have it are not happy.

Those things are just means to an end, and it depends on how you use them. They in themselves are nothing. (With, of course, the exception of concubines, but you get what I mean.)
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Postby Pie » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:29 am

Ok, I have just talked to my mom, and she has shed new light on the whole, "god is infaliable" thing.

That thing, just shows that god has emotions. Also, it shows that god is capable to change his mind. And, it dosen't mean that god isn't omnisciant. He knew that there were good people in there, it just took a person pleading to him for him to have compasion, and to change his mind.

When god put humands on the earth, he gave us deminion to rule and govern. So when adam fell, he gave the deminion to satan. and God has a hands of way of doing things. we can still take back that deminion, by, as isaiah said, we need to stand in the gap, for other humans and plead for them. it's called intersetion. It's in the bible.

REad duteronimy 29 and 30, somewere down there. It talks about curses and things, they are natural consequences for our sins. sodom and Lot, they did rong. Abraham, when he took his plea to god, he plead for 10 holy people, when there was really only one righious person. The angel came and gave lot a chance to excape, even when lot was still, even himself, turned away frome god (a little).

It shows that god has compation. God believes in justice, sodom diserved justice, but god showd compation, not that he was falliable.
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Postby Schme » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:46 am

Mykey wrote:
I`m well aware of genesis. It seems to be a record of alien colonization to me.


I don't really see how you'd make that comparison.

I honestly can't see it.

I don't blame you, though. Scriptures (any and all of them) are a bitch to read.





Pie, good to hear you're playing football.

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Postby Lychee » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:00 am

Pie wrote:
It shows that god has compation. God believes in justice, sodom diserved justice, but god showd compation, not that he was falliable.


If "God" has compassion, then why didn't he save the Jewish from the Egyptians and Nazis, if god had compassion, then why did he kill and made suffering towards the Egyptians?
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Postby Pie » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:07 am

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Postby Elros » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:55 am

Dee wrote:You may think of it as childish, but it isn't... I mean.. Come on!! Refer to God as an It? Are you kidding? That's like, the most offensive thing ever!

God is a He, and not because of some poor translations... God's a He, because He is!

And what do you mean what I think of the creation of the world?

You're not asking me whether I believe of the whole big bang theory or not, are you? If that's your question, then my answer is no.


I believe that "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth". I was wondering if you believed that too.
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Postby Piscator » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:42 am

How about just not using pronouns for god at all? Just say god.
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Postby Dee » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:51 pm

Lychee wrote:
Pie wrote:
It shows that god has compation. God believes in justice, sodom diserved justice, but god showd compation, not that he was falliable.


If "God" has compassion, then why didn't he save the Jewish from the Egyptians and Nazis, if god had compassion, then why did he kill and made suffering towards the Egyptians?


What the hell did Egyptians do to the Jews?? They did nothing, dude!!

Elros wrote:I believe that "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth". I was wondering if you believed that too.


Yes, we do believe in that. God created Heaven, then he created Adam, who lived in Heaven with Eve until they got kicked out after eating from the Apple Tree. They then descended to Earth... Can't remember where exactly on Earth...

But yeah.. That's how it all started.
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Postby Chris Johnson » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:02 pm

Dee wrote:
Lychee wrote:If "God" has compassion, then why didn't he save the Jewish from the Egyptians and Nazis, if god had compassion, then why did he kill and made suffering towards the Egyptians?


What the hell did Egyptians do to the Jews?? They did nothing, dude!!



I believe Lychee is refering to the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt and thus the Ancient Egyptians, covered in the Torah, Bible and if I'm not mistaken in the Koran (where Moses stands up to the Pharoh) ... well I assume thats what's meant ?
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Postby Elros » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:56 am

Pie wrote:Ok, I have just talked to my mom, and she has shed new light on the whole, "god is infaliable" thing.

That thing, just shows that god has emotions. Also, it shows that god is capable to change his mind. And, it dosen't mean that god isn't omnisciant. He knew that there were good people in there, it just took a person pleading to him for him to have compasion, and to change his mind.

When god put humands on the earth, he gave us deminion to rule and govern. So when adam fell, he gave the deminion to satan. and God has a hands of way of doing things. we can still take back that deminion, by, as isaiah said, we need to stand in the gap, for other humans and plead for them. it's called intersetion. It's in the bible.

REad duteronimy 29 and 30, somewere down there. It talks about curses and things, they are natural consequences for our sins. sodom and Lot, they did rong. Abraham, when he took his plea to god, he plead for 10 holy people, when there was really only one righious person. The angel came and gave lot a chance to excape, even when lot was still, even himself, turned away frome god (a little).

It shows that god has compation. God believes in justice, sodom diserved justice, but god showd compation, not that he was falliable.


I completely agree with you Pie. What you said is correct according to the Bible. I just wanted to add something to it though.

The person that brought this subject up said that God changed his mind so that means God can make mistakes. All i wanted to say is that God said he would destroy Sodom and Gimorah, and he did destroy Sodom and Gimorah. Yes he saved Lot's family after Abraham pleaded for his nephew Lot's life. But in the end God did destroy the city just as he had said he would. "God does NOT lie or make mistakes"
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Postby Elros » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:01 am

Lychee wrote:
Pie wrote:
It shows that god has compation. God believes in justice, sodom diserved justice, but god showd compation, not that he was falliable.


If "God" has compassion, then why didn't he save the Jewish from the Egyptians and Nazis, if god had compassion, then why did he kill and made suffering towards the Egyptians?


Dee wrote:What the hell did Egyptians do to the Jews?? They did nothing, dude!!


He was referring to the story of Moses and the Isrealites when the Egyptians had them as slaves. The egyptians did many things like kill all the firstborn of the israelites as well as have them in involuntary servitude. After God thru moses delivered the 10 plagues Pharoah let the Isrealites go free. That is when Moses become the ruler of the Israelites and the journeyed thru the wilderness for all those years. most of the Torah(first five books of the Old Testament) is about all that.
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Postby Talapus » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:05 am

Elros wrote:After God thru moses delivered the 10 plagues Pharoah let the Isrealites go free.


You forget though that god took away the Pharoah's free will, forcing him to face the plagues. The Pharoah had no choice in the matter, god just wanted revenge.

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