Religion

[Elros]

The Church line is currently that “Creationism is Right”, for example. But they don’t really believe that, if you ask me. I know I don’t. It’s just official doctrine. Remember, technically, if you listen to them, the Earth’s been flat until about three hundred years ago.

By that statement were you saying you do not believe the World was created?

[Mykey]

I apologise, but, in my opinion, you commit an error. Let's discuss it.

[Piscator]

Or better say inflexibility. That´s the real problem I think.

[Dee]

Um.. Just a small point... To my knowledge, God is a He, not It. Yeah...

[Elros]

Dee, what do Muslims believe on creation of the World?

[Mykey]

You commit an error. Let's discuss.

[Nakranoth]

Um.. Just a small point... To my knowledge, God is a He, not It. Yeah...

Sorry, Dee, that happens to be part of the limitation of the English language... God is not flesh and blood, and thus transcends gender... and therefore is neither a he nor a she... "It" being the only pronoun remaing is thus the most correct.

[Mykey]

In my opinion you are mistaken. I suggest it to discuss.

[Nosajimiki]

1) It is a He in thr Bible because of bad transaltions going from a language where the masculine tense is the default nueter to modern English where he and she technically reffer only to males and females respecively. In American English (might be different in other countries, dont know), animals are ussally reffered to as an 'it' as well, not a he or she despite technical genitailia, so a spiritual entity with no genitalia is clearly an "it" in English. Jesus is theoreticlly the exeception in that he had a human, physical form, but most people, when reffering to "God" are reffering to either the "Father" which again is a bad translation, (it should be forebarer: the closest nueter equivilant) or they are reffering to the trinity which is nueter b/c in English all plural nouns are nueter by default, (we, they, them, etc.) unless it is from a base word that inhierently implyes gender (tailors, seamstressess, bulls, cows, etc.)

2) The Catholic Church is flexable on creationism. John Paul II decreed that Genisis could be interprettred figuretively. Catholics are able to chose to believe in God as a "devine archtect" setting up the universe to allow man to evolve into being through his guidence or creationism. This flexibility is ussally lost on the Parish level where priests decide which interpritation to teach out of thier own biases.

[Elros]

Um.. Just a small point... To my knowledge, God is a He, not It. Yeah...

Your god is a he, Dee. Mine is beyond gender disticntions. So for me it`s an "it".

Um... Mykey who exactly is your god?

[Schme]

By that statement were you saying you do not believe the World was created?

You misunderstand.

Creationism is the idea that everything in existence was put on the Earth as it is now and that nothing evolved, ever. That's what Creationism is.

This rampant inflexibility, is where all my real problems stem from.

The thing is, like I say, that's simply official doctrine.

If you recall, Galileo was Catholic, as was the monk who discovered genetics.

**Edit** the next post was so true I had to Edit it.

With that infernal animated happy face.

If anyone should burn in the depths of hell, it's whoever invented those things.

Thank you, though. I must say, I'm flattered.

Dee, what do Muslims believe on creation of the World?

The same thing, man. It's the same God. For the most part the Christian and Judaic scriptures still apply.

2) The Catholic Church is flexable on creationism. John Paul II decreed that Genisis could be interprettred figuretively. Catholics are able to chose to believe in God as a "devine archtect" setting up the universe to allow man to evolve into being through his guidence or creationism. This flexibility is ussally lost on the Parish level where priests decide which interpritation to teach out of thier own biases.

Indeed.

Although personally, I came to that idea when I was a little child, before I knew it went against the official doctrine. I never realised it until I got older. It just seemed to make more sense to me, as it does now.

And that’s just me. I know His Holiness Jean Paul II was not the first to have come up with it.

My parents weren't dedicated enough Catholics to teach me the official stuff.

[Elros]

1) It is a He in thr Bible because of bad transaltions going from a language where the masculine tense is the default nueter to modern English where he and she technically reffer only to males and females respecively.

In what language is God an "it"? You said that going from language to language "it" become a "he" because of bad translations. The original Bible(the Torah and the rest) was written in Hebrew, and in that Bible God is a "He". So your theory of it going from language to language has changed it is wrong.

In American English (might be different in other countries, dont know), animals are ussally reffered to as an 'it' as well, not a he or she despite technical genitailia, so a spiritual entity with no genitalia is clearly an "it" in English.

First of all, you can not animals to compare the verbs with God.
Secondly, Americans "DO" reffer to spritual entities as masculine or feminine. Is Casper a boy or girl?

Jesus is theoreticlly the exeception in that he had a human, physical form, but most people, when reffering to "God" are reffering to either the "Father" which again is a bad translation, (it should be forebarer: the closest nueter equivilant) or they are reffering to the trinity which is nueter b/c in English all plural nouns are nueter by default, (we, they, them, etc.) unless it is from a base word that inhierently implyes gender (tailors, seamstressess, bulls, cows, etc.)

According to the Bible, the Trinity are 3 in 1. God the Father, God the Son(Jesus), and God the Holy Ghost are all one and the same. Thus, it would "not" contradict with the engilsh language for God to be masculine.

[Schme]

According to the Bible, the Trinity are 3 in 1. God the Father, God the Son(Jesus), and God the Holy Ghost are all one and the same.

That is a great matter of division among Christians though, let's not forget, although it's more by sect than individual that the differences arise from.

[Elros]

Elros wrote:


By that statement were you saying you do not believe the World was created?

You misunderstand.

Creationism is the idea that everything in existence was put on the Earth as it is now and that nothing evolved, ever. That's what Creationism is.

I know very well what Creationism is. I was asking do you believe in it?

[Schme]

No, you said "You believe the World was not created?" That's not Creationism, that's whether or not you believe in the world being created or not.

Creationism is just having to do with plants and animals and suchlike.


No, I don't believe in Creationism in the same way as is the mainstream Creationist crowd as per the protestants of the U.S.A.