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Postby rklenseth » Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:22 am

ephiroll wrote:If you ask the right people you can get detailed info about Krif that dates back to the early 200's, and due to the excellent work of Tom Smith (who I think will be considered famous not far in the future) the history of Krif isn't going to fade away anytime soon.

It is also possible to get the histories of Siom and Lad dating back that far, but no material has been wrote that gathers everything together in one easy to read volume, yet.


Well, Tom Smith is very Pro Krif and and it seems pro Maynard (at least what I have read so far as well as is theories about Seatown Forest :roll: ). Tom Smith is also very anti Seatown Forest so I would think that is histories would be a little one sided toward Krif. I would like to see what he put about Maynard and Craktar and the First Krif Empire in the 200's.

And does he mention my old character, Falkirk Corla? If not then he dones't have a very well done history as Falkirk Corla and Treana Gregs were the power in Drojf until Maynard had Falkirk assassinated and Treana was killed in Seatown Forest by the Krif Dark Legion.

I could write a very extensive history of that region dating back as the early 200's of the Krif Council, the Drojf Republic, and the Seatown Kingdom. Now the powers are the the Krif Counsil, the Drojf Council, Seatown Forest, and the Mac Gregor Clan. And you always have those small groups that try to gain power but always seem to be snuffed out or small communities in Djorf Hills (commonly referred to as just the Hills today) and Seatown Gardens. There is also Seatown but there isn't much of a structure of government there. Just a really small community that was left in the aftermath of the end of the Seatown Kingdom. Then you have the two bif governments that have fallen. The First Krif Empire under the Dark Lord Maynard Leeward and the Second Krif Empire under Emperor Jacob Simons. The First Krif Empire could actually be called an empire and Maynard Leeward was more of an emperor than Jacob Simons was in the Second Krif Empire. And who can forget the infamous Smoke Jaguars whose real name was the Alliance and before were two different organizations that were enemies until they found a greater enemy (Craktar the Vampire), the Dark Legion and the Drojf Freedom Fighters (who were concidentally the survivors of Maynard's invasion of Drojf way back in the 200's). Alas, I have said too much. :oops:
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Postby west » Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:33 am

I remember the KFF joining the SJs because they thought they were fighting the same enemy...until the KFF realized they'd been betrayed, and then they split up and came back later & wiped out the SJs
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Postby Alcatraz » Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:40 am

I wasn't aware the KFF split out of the SJ's later. I thought there were just some that remained lowal to the true liberation of Krif that called themselves the KFF. The Magnificent Seven joined with these men, and then the forest did too, to free the region of the SJ's and the remnants of Craktar's reign. Man those times made sense.

I'm gettin' mighty tired of all these council governments popping up. Need more tyrants. Craktar was good. I like vampires.

And Fuktar was funny too.
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Postby west » Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:43 am

Randomly popping out of the Embassy waving his crossbow. yep.
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Postby rklenseth » Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:59 am

Yes, the Krif Freedom Fighters joined the Smoke Jaguars as well as did James Whitmore. James later betrayed the Smoke Jaguars original leader (I cannot remember is name; help here Thomas or anyone?) to Seatown Forest and officially at that point joined the Forest but that almost got him killed. The Smoke Jaguars was originally ran as two seperate groups, the group of Drojf Freedom Fighters led by Elanor Roi and then the the group of Dark Legion of Krif soldiers led by that original leader who got killed in the Forest after betrayed by James. That original leader was replaced by a man named Nathan Holmes (I guess someone must have been reading or watching The Postman at the time; great story by the way; in fact I'm watching the movie right now) who at that point took pretty much full control of the organization with Elanor Roi as just a figurehead and changed the name from Smoke Jaguars to the Alliance but everyone at the time referred to them as the Smoke Jaguars and many still do. The Smoke Jaguars original plan was to take Seatown Forest and use it as their base of operations to take over the region and oust the terror of Craktar. James, who was a spy under Maynard and felt betrayed by the First Krif Empire when it fell, joined the Smoke Jaguars in the hope of killing Craktar (James thought that Craktar killed Maynard which was common knowledge in that region at that time; most people thought that) and perhaps reclaiming the glory of the First Krif Empire. James later came to release his hatred under the mentorship of Gregor Mendal, who was an old guard of Craktar's who made a home in Seatown Forest, and find a new cause. I think Gregor Mendal knew the whole time what and who James was. It was at that time that James betrayed the leader of the Smoke Jaguars while on a visit to see James and see how their operations were going. James also saved a young woman named Silverfoot, who was being killed by the Smoke Jaguars at the time. This led Donna Trent to be suspicious of James and somehow she learned who and what he was. Donna locked James up for days and was about to kill him but instead made him swear an oath of honor to serve the Forest and never to betray it. I think once again that Gregor had something to do with this and perhaps convince Donna to allow James to live.

Once Nathan Holmes came to power of the Smoke Jaguars, Craktar had died. The Smoke Jaguars, now calling themselves the Alliance, raced to Drojf and eventually to Krif to fill in the power void left by Craktar's death. The Forest at the time thought that with the Smoke Jaguars' leader's death and their plans foiled that they would simply melt away and disappear into the Hills. I think it was at this point that the Krif Freedom Fighters broke off from the Alliance and came to be in the Forest where the Forest learned of the Alliances takeover of Drojf and Krif and were claiming a new empire (I don't think this empire was actually ever named). It was at this point that the Forest decided they would do something about this and the Krif Freedom Fighters joined them to form what became to be known as the Seatown Warriors. If you read, the accounts by Gregor Mac Gregor or Gary Drenth you would think that only two people actually fought the war. But it was a number of different men and woman, most of them residence of the Forest, that fought and some of them even died. In fact, there are still many veterans of that war and can claimed to have been part of the Seatown Warriors living in the Forest today. Well, anyways, the resulting war was a complete rout of the Alliance and their utter destruction. With both Natham Holmes and Elanor Roi dead and most of the loyalists of the Alliance dead, the Alliance simply died out though there are still a few member roaming about who survived. After the war, the Forest left, once again leaving a power void in that whole region. Gregor Mac Gregor moved into the Krif Hills and founded the Mac Gregor Clan, the Nosse took control of Drojf and later formed the Drojf Council, and a man named Jacob Simons took power in Krif. Jacob Simons was the only surviving member of the Krif Council (other than Craktar) who wasn't killed when Maynard and Craktar overthrew the Krif Council and formed the First Krif Empire. Now Jacob Simons formed the Second Krif Empire and declared himself Emperor. And most of us know the rest. Maynard Leeward returns. At first befriends Jacob Simons and then allows himself to fall out of power. Then Maynard takes power but disolves the Second Krif Empire and forms the Krif Counsil. Maynard doesn't have a seat on the Krif Counsil but many believe that he controls it but there are others that say that Lucius Blackheart actually controls the Krif Counsil and other still say that Maynard is working through Blackheart. blah, blah, blah. More conspiracies and yet more. Will it ever end. No and I hope not. :wink:
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Postby ephiroll » Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:30 pm

I think that Falkirk Corla is meantioned, but the thing is that no one in Krif has records of all that happened concerning the Smoke Juagars and the Freedom Fighters, and everytime someone who ask someone about it then at least 2 different versions, neither very detailed, would be told. And I don't think Maynard ever met Falkirk to begin with, or if he did Maynard never seen him as any more then another man in his way.

Oh...and the real reason that Maynard backed Jacob Simons as emperor is because when Maynard was the first Emperor, Jacob served as his spy inside Krif...and Maynard was just returning the favor.
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Postby griogal » Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:59 pm

Just for the record the KFF and the Magnificent Seven are just the same people. We changed to KFF because two of the seven appeared to be sleepers. Albert Dreifuss was the KFF member who negociated the alliance with the SJs, but when he got killed and the SJs started to attack travellers the KFF left the Alliance.

RKL, you probably mean Glen's story about the war. At no time he claims historical accuracy. He always promoted it as a novel and it's written from his point of view.
In retrospect, the SJs weren't that powerful, only a couple had iron shields, and a handful had sabres. Their protection on the whole was pretty bad. At that time Krif and Drojf were so impoverished that no inhabitant had the power and guts to rebel.
In fact, the war could have been over is the vanguard had actually started a full scale battle instead of the brawl we witnessed. Anyhow, the SJs were by no means a match to the Seatown Forest Warriors.
Nowadays it would be much harder to take both Krif and Drojf, due to the Rangers and the general better equipment of towns.
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Postby JJ » Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:20 am

but alot of people forget about one man who worked as a spy for Donna Trent, he's the one who brought alot of the inside info about the sj's to her. but i dont remeber his name...or even his where abouts. :(
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Postby rklenseth » Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:48 am

Ummm....James Whitmore, being my character. He is also known by other names though. The one that worked for the Smoke Jaguars and then betrayed them to the Forest. The guys from the Krif Freedom Fighters also brought a lot information over on them as well.

And James Whitmore is still quite alive.

James Whitmore's life;

Born in Drojf during the First Krif Empire but after the fall of the Drojf Republic and the Massacre of Drojf.

Joined a construction crew that built the Krif Dark Legion Fortress in the Southern Hills (or Djorf Hills (south)).

Recruited into the Krif Dark Legion.

Recruited by Maynard Leeward as a spy.

Sent to spy on the Seatown Kingdom.

Participated in the assassination of the last remaining leader of the Seatown Kingdom.

Left the Seatown Region after General Korgan Bloodaxe built a Krif Dark Legion Fortress in Seatown Garden.

Returned to Krif to report to Maynard Leeward his intelligences of the Seatown Region and to report the assassination of last leader of the Seatown Kingdom.

Upon finding that Maynard Leeward had disappeared, he reported to Craktar who told him that his services were no longer needed and that the First Krif Empire had been dissolved.

Was there when Craktar ordered his guard to execute all the members of the Krif Dark Legion or former members.

Fled Krif for fear of being executed and traveled to the Hills (Djorf Hills)

Met the original leader of the Smoke Jaguars and joined there group in bringing back the glory of the First Krif Empire and to get rid of Craktar.

Sent to Seatown Forest by the Smoke Jaguars to set up a spying operation that would lead to an eventual take over operation of Seatown Forest in which the Smoke Jaguars were going to use as a base of operation to take over the whole region.

Was well received in Seatown Forest and was allowed to build a building that he had said he was going to use as a shop but was using it for the Smoke Jaguars purposes; met Donna Trent and Gregor Mendal at this time.

Betrayed the original leader of the Smoke Jaguars to the Forest and saved a young woman's life called Silverfoot from being killed by the Smoke Jaguars.

After betraying the Smoke Jaguars, Donna discovered he was the Smoke Jaguars' mole and had him locked up.

After about a month of being locked up, Donna made him swear an oath of honor to always serve the Forest and to protect it and then released him.

Made the Forest his home.

Provided intelligences of the Smoke Jaguars to the Forest.

Decided to open up a real shop and called it the Metalworking Shop.

Was made a Protector of the Forest by Donna Trent.

Joined the Seatown Warriors (was never known as the Seatown Forest Warriors) to fight the Smoke Jaguars or also known as the Alliance after they took over Drojf and Krif.

Fought in the war.

Returned to the Forest and his business after the war and victory.

Swore loyalty to Maily Yumm after she succeeded Donna Trent.

And that is about as far as I'm going to go since somethings after this would be too sensitive.
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Postby Thomas Pickert » Thu May 13, 2004 9:51 am

JJ wrote:but alot of people forget about one man who worked as a spy for Donna Trent, he's the one who brought alot of the inside info about the sj's to her. but i dont remeber his name...or even his where abouts. :(


It's quite outdated, but I discovered this very interesting thread just now. ;)
Wasn't it a man named Jame? :D
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Postby rklenseth » Thu May 13, 2004 10:07 am

Thomas Pickert wrote:
JJ wrote:but alot of people forget about one man who worked as a spy for Donna Trent, he's the one who brought alot of the inside info about the sj's to her. but i dont remeber his name...or even his where abouts. :(


It's quite outdated, but I discovered this very interesting thread just now. ;)
Wasn't it a man named Jame? :D


It could also be a man by the name of John....

Or William....

Or even Garthan....
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Postby Thomas Pickert » Thu May 13, 2004 11:15 am

The man named John had no knowledge of the man named Jame being on active duty for Donna. :P

Which reminds me. Out of curiosity, does anyone remember a character named Tarnt Do'Enn?
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Postby JJ » Thu May 13, 2004 2:04 pm

yes Thomas, it was Jame or James Deleo. no one knew he was a spy for donna trent only Donna knew this.
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Postby Alcatraz » Thu May 13, 2004 6:15 pm

Tarnt Do'Enn? Wasn't that what Donna called herself a little before the cleansing of the Smoke Jaguars? We were in the forest expecting a massacre, or perhaps just some petty spying. Donna wanted to lie low.
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Postby Alcatraz » Thu May 13, 2004 6:17 pm

I always wondered what James DeLeo's connections were. Being another James always brought some attention to him. I seem to have some memory of knowledge of his spying, and this may be because I was relatively close to both Donna Trent and Maily Yumm.

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