Get Bent, Congressman.

[Schme]

If there is a God, Jeff Flake will get his ass kicked by a bunch of Cuban refugees.

I don’t know if you’ve heard about this, but it turns out that Cuba’s got oil, and lots of it. What’s more, America’s leaders no longer believe that it’s in the Cuban people’s best interest to have so strict an embargo on them. They want to be friends now. It’s best to forgive and forget, right?

All of a sudden, democratic reforms will come from economic co-operation rather than suffocation. Better to change them from the inside.

Bullshit, that stuff is. Canada has been working with the Castro boys since the sixties, and look how much democratic reform they’ve got? You don’t get reform for money, you get food and running water, and the American government knows it. They know it better than anyone, as they’ve had years and years of experience of dealing with oppressive dictators. Of course food and running water is when you’re lucky. Most of the time it’s palaces and guns. Lucky Cuba has those already.

Jeff Flake is one of the guys leading the charge to exempt American oil companies from the embargo and let them bid on Cuban oil deals. He’s desperate. You hear him spewing out bullshit nonstop these days. “Well, if anyone’s going to exploit Cuban oil, we want it to be an ecologically responsible company like…Oh, I don’t know, just off the top of my head, ExxonMobil.”

What’s happening here is that all of the oil companies who put the American leaders in power are calling in their favors. “You’d better fucking get me in on that Cuban oil, or come next election, congressman, senator, whoever, you’re cut off, got me?”

I’ve got to say, it scares me that the oil companies have so much power that the actual leaders of the nation are swayed by them.

Up here in Canada, we’re going along just fine. We can bid to our hearts content. We’ve been Cuba’s friends for decades.

“Yeah, well that’s so bad.” You say. “And hypocritical. Don’t you know that the Communist Party of Cuba is a dictatorial party and that they arrest and imprison their enemies blah blah blah blah blah?”

Fuck yeah we know. We’ve known it since the stone age. We don’t care. Guess what? It wasn’t going to help the people of Cuba to have their economy collapse, and I’ll tell you, Castro’s not going anywhere. All we’ve done is give Castro enough to spend money on both food and soldiers. Because given the choice, he’d keep the soldiers. A tyrant’s gotta do what a tyrant’s gotta do, you know?

Of course, Castro won’t take the into consideration. He’ll stab us in the back for sure. He’s just that kind of guy. If he gets a chance to grab some Yankee dollars, then he’ll swear by the Communist Manifesto that he’s never even heard of Canada.

But it’s funny that America bitched at us for years for buying a couple of cigars from the Cubans, and now turns around and says it won’t at all help Communism to make multi-billion dollar bids on the rights to Cuban oil deposits. Something to think about.


Get bent, congressman.

[Torkess_theCommie]

*claps* Good post Schme *claps* Good Post

[Wilmer Bordonado]

I don’t know if you’ve heard about this, but it turns out that Cuba’s got oil, and lots of it. What’s more, America’s leaders no longer believe that it’s in the Cuban people’s best interest to have so strict an embargo on them. They want to be friends now. It’s best to forgive and forget, right?

States policies are always based on economical interests, and there isn't a drop of ethics on that. Castro could be a devil or a hero, but there's some logic way in his acts.
States gave financial help to Talibans, and then they eliminated them... Uncle Osama then got annoyed and blow up some planes...
Castro is going no where? Perhaps. But States are?

Seems like a snake which is bitting its own tail.

Wilmer B.

[Phalynx]

The US has one God... profit

I don't expect anything different... what amazes me is the cognitive shift that they will have to do in public to make this happen...

True 'Doublethink' I believe...

You only have to look at the economic relationships developing with China in spite of any ideological differences there are...

I think they call it pragmatism don't they... IE Someone is goin to make millions out of the situation.. it surely should be the US of A..!

[wichita]

I saw the title of this and it made me think of that Kids in The Hall sketch Screw You Taxpayer!! where they were smashing all sorts of props on stage and showing how it cost to produce the show out of the government funded CBC budget. It was good funny stuff.

Oh. Corrput politician? Never heard that one before.

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[Nixit]

Good one, Wich.

The US has one God... profit

I don't expect anything different... what amazes me is the cognitive shift that they will have to do in public to make this happen...

True 'Doublethink' I believe...

You only have to look at the economic relationships developing with China in spite of any ideological differences there are...

I think they call it pragmatism don't they... IE Someone is goin to make millions out of the situation.. it surely should be the US of A..!

Erm... I believe that's the case with the -majority- of countries.

But I think the sad thing is... very few people in America will even we conscious of this and even fewer will care that much.

Incidentally, if we're supposed to be take lots of money from everything, it's not working, because we're in debt trillions of dollars.

[Wilmer Bordonado]

But I think the sad thing is... very few people in America will even we conscious of this and even fewer will care that much.

Sorry, can you explain your concept of "America"? It sounds too ambiguous for me.

Thanks!

Wilmer B.

[Pie]

SO LONG!!! CANT READ!!!(And you were SO hoping that i would post somthing opinionated here.)

[Schme]

States policies are always based on economical interests, and there isn't a drop of ethics on that. Castro could be a devil or a hero, but there's some logic way in his acts.
States gave financial help to Talibans, and then they eliminated them... Uncle Osama then got annoyed and blow up some planes...
Castro is going no where? Perhaps. But States are?

Seems like a snake which is bitting its own tail.

I don’t think you really get it, Wilmer, and I couldn’t blame you for that. You’ve not idea how long they’ve been saying that Cuba is evil evil evil, the seed of Satan himself. Nobody knew about the Taliban. Everybody knows about this. It would be like you’re government doing an organized crime crackdown and then saying “Well, hey, you know, the Don, he’s not such a bad guy after all. I mean, won’t less people suffer if we co-operate with them then if we fight them? Makes sense, right?”

It’s the equivalent of that.

I saw the title of this and it made me think of that Kids in The Hall sketch Screw You Taxpayer!! where they were smashing all sorts of props on stage and showing how it cost to produce the show out of the government funded CBC budget. It was good funny stuff.

That was a great skit, godamn halarious. For anyone who isn't know, Kids in the Hall are like Canada's Monty Python. Were, rather. Good stuff though.

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No it's not. It never happened before.

I don't expect anything different... what amazes me is the cognitive shift that they will have to do in public to make this happen...

True 'Doublethink' I believe...

Exactly. Dead on what I’m saying. It’s fucking nuts.

Erm... I believe that's the case with the -majority- of countries.

Yeah, but most countries haven't been saying that Castro is Lucifer incarnate for the past fifty years. Iran doesn't trade with Israel.

But I think the sad thing is... very few people in America will even we conscious of this and even fewer will care that much.

I think you're probably right.

Incidentally, if we're supposed to be take lots of money from everything, it's not working, because we're in debt trillions of dollars.

That's the thing. It's not the nation's coffers that will be making money. This cash won't go to police forces or to help inner city schools. It's companies that would make money, and then put the money in their giant Swiss bank accounts, were it will sit with the rest of their money until the world's economy collapses and we start all over again.

Besides, America doesn’t pay it’s debt anyway.






Listen here, I don’t expect America not to do it. I’m just saying cut the crap.

[Nixit]

But I think the sad thing is... very few people in America will even we conscious of this and even fewer will care that much.

Sorry, can you explain your concept of "America"? It sounds too ambiguous for me.

Thanks!

Wilmer B.

America as the American peoples. The citizens.

Does that help?

[Schme]

Yes, the United States of America, not the two American continents. People over here usually just call the U.S.A. America.

[Nixit]

Oh, that's right. Wow, I'm sorry Wilmer. I never thought about the Continents... or at least that way. Wow. I'm stupid.

But yes, the people of the U.S.A.

[Talapus]

Yeah, but most countries haven't been saying that Castro is Lucifer incarnate for the past fifty years.

We might have been saying that fifty years ago, but no one really cares about Cuba any more. The only reason we still have an embargo on Cuban goods is because it already exists any would take too much effort to change. I personally have been expecting the embargo to end for the last five or six years now.

[Schme]

That's not true.

A shit load of people care about Cuba. You've never been to Miami, I suppose, but it's full of American Cubans. But more importantly, it's full of bussiness men who have for decades been salivating over this island of cheap sugar, tobbaco, labour and wonderful hugely profitable tourist industry which they can't sell to the American market. Sure, they're in on it, but they can't sell in America, and that's where everyone wants to sell.

The reason the embargo is still there is because you can't damn well turn around after decades of embargo, propaganda, hundreds upon hundreds of assasination attempts and a botched invasion. At least not without oil.

Just a little while ago, the embargo was renewed and strenghthened. Back out now, and America, the most powerful nation in the world, with the combined force of it's economic strength, it's high tech army and it's feared and deadly secret services loses to the bearded militia gun totting grandfather who looks like a militia leader, and his nation that can't even get it's tractors running.

It doesn't matter if the public is ignorant of Cuba, and so therefore cannot care about it. The public is ignorant about damn near everything, and not through censorship but massive apathy.

America still backtracks, loses to Castro, who will now be a hero with all the cash he's going rake up.

They've tried to kill Castro so hard for so long, they've tried their very best to overthrow him, and now they're going to call it quits.

They didn't just say if fifty years ago. They've been saying it quite solidly for the past fifty years, with propaganda, by supporting coup attempts and by trying to kill him.

Let's not downplay it.

[wichita]

What Talapus was pointing out is that the anticommunist propaganda is not being pumped out against Cuba like that anymore. The only negative connotation that Cuba recieves from the press today is that thousands of Cubans are flooding into Florida on rafts. If anything, Cuba is mentioned because the refugees are involved with LOCAL socioeconomic developments.

But, being that you aren't actually living in the States, I wouldn't expect you to know how life actually works in the United States anymore than you would expect me to understand how life actually works in Canada.


So please tell me more about the world view that I live in in you pretentious, self-righteous prick. Condemn me because my countrymen tend to force the world to play by their social standards instead of bowing down to your own agenda.

Bigot.