Religion

[the_antisocial_hermit]

Keves, Religion dosen't just Pop out of nowere. It has to come frome someone or somthing, and it is always clear to where it has come frome. Know, all religions have a source, and that source is either

1: a series of myths or stoarys put together over centuries.(and zoroaism is an example of this) These would be exapmles of greek mytholagy, egyption mytholagy, posably hynduism, and alot of other paganisms(I'm not saying hinduism is a paganism... although i don't know much about it...) Juduism is one, You could say the catholic church has alot of myths in it(such as pugitory, or transinstatiation... thingy)

2: A government makes a religion to nationalise other religions into itself(rome is an example)

3: A person aclaims to have divinity.

He said it came from humans, not that it came out of nowhere. All of those things you listed come from humans.

Human invented god and religion. Not vice-versa. That's all.

[west]

How odd
Of God
To Choose
The Jews
--W. N. Ewers

But not so odd
As those who choose
A Jewish God,
But spurn the Jews
--Cecil Browne

Not Odd
Of God
Goyim
Annoy 'im
--Anonymous

[Stan]

Human invented god and religion. Not vice-versa. That's all.

There ya' have it folks. From the man himself. Well there's no arguing the KeVes.

[west]

Where was God before Man?

If a tree falls in the forest...

[Nalaris]

Human invented god and religion. Not vice-versa. That's all.

Prove it.

[the_antisocial_hermit]

Human invented god and religion. Not vice-versa. That's all.

Prove it.

Can't even prove it the other way around.

[west]

There is no evidence of God before Man. Perhaps each created the other?

Oh, and Nalaris:

When I say there is a pizza in this room, but you can neither see it, smell it, feel it, touch it nor taste it, and you say there isn't, the burden of proof is on me, and not on you. I am trying to tell you that there is something here which is beyond the reach of all your senses and your logical facilities. In that case, you do not have to prove its existence to me, I have to prove it to you.

Not that such a thing can ever be conclusively proven or disproven, but if there is an invisible, intangible pizza in this room it is not doing either of us much good.

[Stan]

That's true, but if there is pizza in that room and you're eating and someone doesn't believe you, so be it.

If you are a person that is trustworthy and tells me that you can taste the pizza and describes the taste and I can see that you are being filled by the pizza, why would I call you a liar?

And, if there were millions of others eating on the pizza in your place (man you'd have to have a big place) and I told you there was no pizza in there yet millions of others said they could see it and taste it as well, I'd be considered a fool and rightly so.

Wouldn't it be conceivable that perhaps the reason I couldn't taste or see the pizza is because I wasn't in your apartment?

[west]

You don't have to be lying to be wrong, Stan.

I could believe that I was eating the pizza, and you could see that I was convinced that I was eating the pizza, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I was actually eating the pizza.

Furthermore, the number of people who are convinced that they're eating the pizza is not necessary proof either; have you ever seen group hypnosis? I have. A whole group of people picking their way gingerly through a room filled with invisible bunny rabbits is well worth watching.

The number of people that believe in something has no bearing on whether or not it's true; millions of people believe Saddam Hussein caused 9/11 or that they were abducted by aliens.

If the number or strength of the believers of a theory had anything to do with its relevence, Prester John would have existed, the sun would still revolve around the earth, and crystal balls would be able to tell our future.

But you'd say Jesus' teachings were just as true when he was standing on a boat in front of four people as when 1 billion people claimed to call him Lord.

I am not making a judgement as to whether they are true or not, in the previous sentence. I am just pointing it out.

[KVZ]

Human invented god and religion. Not vice-versa. That's all.

Prove it.

I will not try. For what? That is logic. Anyway, I wish that I could soon prove that some religious fanatics should be locked in mental hospitals.

I most not like people which say that they believe that some words which man said that are from god, MUST be from god. Eveyrone can say that, and we have to believe in that? See? All those prophets had reasons in physical world to say that...

[AoM]

"Forgive, oh Lord, my little jokes on Thee.
And I'll forgive, Thy great big one on me."
-Robert Frost

[Pie]

This is why I don't like this topic.... It's pointless.

You know somthing? There's alot of things that I have never seen. I have never seen pluto. Does that make it not true? I have never had any sences that have seen a germ. does that make it untrue? I have never ever seen plutonium, uranium, radium, barium, and alot of other elements. Does that make it untrue?

Other people have seen pluto, but they needed a telescope to do it.
Other people have seen god, but they need faith to do it.
Other people have seen a germ, and have seen the symptomes of a germ.
Other people have witnessed the holy gost, and have seen the symptomes of the holy gost.
Other people have seen plutonium uranium radium barium and alot of other elements.
Other people have seen People rise frome the dead, people heald of terminal illnesses, people break addictions frome drugs, people speak in toungs, people doing great things for crist in the face of overwelming oposition.
Does that make it true?

Keves, Stop being closed minded. If you can truly destroy any hopes of there being god or any other divinity, I Swear apon the god of abraham, isac, and... other people, that I will never go to church or believ in crist or speak words against science again. And the only thing you can do to prove that, is disprove that jesus lived, that his desiples lived, and that they were martyrs.

[Mykey]

Unfortunately, I can help nothing, but it is assured, that you will find the correct decision. Do not despair.

[formerly known as hf]

You know somthing? There's alot of things that I have never seen. I have never seen pluto. Does that make it not true? I have never had any sences that have seen a germ. does that make it untrue? I have never ever seen plutonium, uranium, radium, barium, and alot of other elements. Does that make it untrue?

I have never seen a Uniciorn. Does that make it untrue?

[saztronic]

I like this thread. Thanks to Hermitess for pointing it out.

I also think this thread, like history, will resolve nothing on the question of religion. I've always liked the following quote. I could expound on it but I'll just let it speak for itself and see if anyone has anything to say about it.

"Yet all the knowledge on earth will give me nothing to assure me that this world is mine. You describe it to me and you teach me to classify it. You enumerate its laws and in my thirst for knowledge I admit that they are true. You take apart its mechanism and my hope increases. At the final stage you teach me that this wondrous and multicolored universe can be reduced to the atom and that the atom itself can be reduced to the electron.

All this is good and I wait for you to continue. But then you tell me of an invisible planetary system in which electrons gravitate around a nucleus. You explain this world to me with an image. I realize then that you have been reduced to using poetry: I shall never truly know. Have I the time to become indignant? You have already changed theories. So that science that was to teach me everything ends up in a hypothesis, that lucidity founders in metaphor, that uncertainty is resolved in a work of art. What need had I of so many efforts? The soft line of these hills and the hand of evening on this troubled heart teach me much more. I have returned to my beginning. I realize that if through science I can see phenomena and enumerate them, I cannot, for all that, apprehend the world. Were I to trace its entire relief with my finger, I should not know any more. And you give me the choice between a description that is sure but that teaches me nothing and hypotheses that claim to teach me but that are not sure. A stranger to my self and to the world, armed solely with a thought that negates itself as soon as it asserts, what is this condition in which I can have peace only by refusing to know and to live, in which the appetite for conquest bumps into walls that defy its assaults?! To will is to stir up paradoxes."

Albert Camus, The Myth of Sisyphus