Personal Questions

[Phalynx]

Dee I was under the impression you were beuatiful and intelligent.. but I am fast coming the impression I was only half right...

So let me get this right, you want a third Gulf War, only a bit more evenly balanced, with maybe bigger weapons and more civilian deaths.....

I think you are confusing cantr with real life a little... or vice versa....

[deadboy]

Can I correct that quickly. America would start the war. Yup, no doubt, I mean they've got Bush as a president. First it was Iraq, next it'll be Iran, and then after that probably an eastern country like Japan or China I reckon. America just likes to think of itself as the world police, don't think -every- western country is like that. England only joined the Iraq war because Blair is such a suck-up to Bush. Which is why we want him out.

[Dee]

Dee I was under the impression you were beuatiful and intelligent.. but I am fast coming the impression I was only half right...

So let me get this right, you want a third Gulf War, only a bit more evenly balanced, with maybe bigger weapons and more civilian deaths.....

I think you are confusing cantr with real life a little... or vice versa....

Phalynx, why would I want war? Does uniting the Arab world mean wars to you? Why does it have to be like that? I might be living in a fantasy world but there's no law against dreaming and fantasyzing (I know I spelled it wrong), right?

What I'm saying is we have so many poor countries in the Middle East, and if the Arab countries united as one, then the wealth will be divided among them.. Now, I'm not pro taking from the rich and giving to the poor, I'm completely against it, but all I'm saying is that if the Arabs united, poor countries will be getting more help... That doesn't necessarily mean that wars will happen, right? And why will they happen? Unless of course some other country STARTS the war!

[Mykey]

It doesn't matter!

[Nixit]

Can I correct that quickly. America would start the war. Yup, no doubt, I mean they've got Bush as a president. First it was Iraq, next it'll be Iran, and then after that probably an eastern country like Japan or China I reckon. America just likes to think of itself as the world police, don't think -every- western country is like that. England only joined the Iraq war because Blair is such a suck-up to Bush. Which is why we want him out.

Are you kidding me? Bush doesn't have enough political capital anymore to go into another war. Bush's approval rating is like 30 somethin' percent, he's in NO position to start a way, given that we've already got our forces stretched out. Not to mention there's no reason that I can see why we or anybody would go to war with China or Japan?!! China makes our goods, for the most part, and I believe we are on good terms with Japan. You have a very skewed perception of the American Gov, methinks.

[Phalynx]

Are you kidding me? Bush doesn't have enough political capital anymore to go into another war. Bush's approval rating is like 30 somethin' percent, he's in NO position to start a way, given that we've already got our forces stretched out. Not to mention there's no reason that I can see why we or anybody would go to war with China or Japan?!! China makes our goods, for the most part, and I believe we are on good terms with Japan. You have a very skewed perception of the American Gov, methinks.

Which is why he is wildy trying to insinuate that Iran is a massive threat... it would form a suitable excuse for war, and war usually favours the right wing politically speaking!

[Nixit]

Well, I'm not saying he doesn't want to go to war with Iran necessarily... I'm just saying it's not going to happen. ESPECIALLY against China and Japan. That's just ridiculous.

[Schme]

fascism OR communism - both would work werer it not for human nature to bring corruption into every aspect of everything…….

It is my opinion that Fascism is out. People have told me I’m a Fascists. I’m no Fascist. Mussolini has ruined that name forever. I came up with my ideas on my own.

I’ve never studied Mussolini’s stuff or Fascist literature, and want nothing to do with any Fascist parties. They’re all fool’s holding on to the past because of sensational stories from a land far away. My nation is not Italy.

The thing about Communism is that most people don’t bother to find out what it actually is. Communism is not at all about big monolithic government. The whole point of Communism is to eventually abolish government. The ideology was simply hijacked and corrupted, and if you ask me, it’s not a good idea.

As for corruption, the only thing to do about that is just to not have it. It’s just like anything. Just don’t take crap. The problem is that most of the time, people get to power with the help of their corrupt friends, and then make sure to keep them around.

Like you said, with the hurricane. Everyone knows what must done, but are either to afraid or unable to do it.

That’s why Pierre Trudeau was so popular up here. Even if not everyone agreed with his policies, the guy just didn’t take shi.t.

Another main problem with democracy is the fact that too many uninformed people vote. really, if I had my way I would make it so that to vote you would have to graduate college or at least have a 'common sense and critical thinking test' to weed out the idiots who have no idea what they are voting for but are only doing ot because a commercial said to and that is the party they subscribe to.

But who would make the policy on who was intelligent enough to vote?

My real problem with democracy is firstly that it was never meant for the common man. It was made by the rich as an “In” to get into power. It’s always just used by people for their own thing.

Furthermore, people vote for their own benefit rather than for what’s right. If someone says they’ll cut taxes, people vote for him to save their own money, even though the tax cut will do a lot of harm to the nation as a whole.

Schme, I like your politcal choice. I use to be a fan of democracy.

Thank you.

So your basically for "enlightened depotism" as described by Voltaire?

Possibly. I've never read any Voltaire.

Fascism is doing very well in the U.S.A.

I big to differ. You're nation is still ruled by the same wealthy elitists who are only out for themselves. The hundreds of Fascist parties across the nation are going nowhere. I feel the reason is probably because, aside from the massive power of the bussiness elite, (The guys who run the Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same guys.) aside from them, people simply aren't interested in helping out guys who are preaching the doctrine of a former enemy. Neither are Canadians. You have to find a Made in America solution, and not really on dead Italians.[/quote]

I had to recently concede democracies/republics do not work.

People keep equating the word Republic with democracy. This is probably because of the famous democracy in the United States. All republic means is a land without a monarch.

Who was it that said that humans tend towards monarchy? Wonder if it's something in our genes--social animals always need an alpha.

I believe so to. Guerrilla's have alpha's, so must we.

I'd rather be under a good king than a bad President.

Of course, the problem with totalitarianism is that there are so few good people, especially those willing to govern, that by the time you get to a position where you could be president/despot/whatever, you're pretty much unfit to command anything larger than a gristmill.

I believe that most of the time people who turn out badly are either extremly unlucky, or more often, are just thugs magnified by a thousand, and if they're government turns out to be a police state, it's just because that's how they are best serving themselves. People like President Kim of North Korea and Ceauşescu in Romania were thugs from the outset.

Scarily I largely agree with you...

You'd damn well better, comrade. The Party folk could make things pretty rough for you otherwise, let's just leave it at that.

It's good to know I'm not alone on this one, really.

The trouble is people in country A who are doing OK see country B that have 'freedom' and they are told lies like 'freedom' = wealth and happiness.

The Government in Country A gets a bit worried and tries to suppress such silly stories therefore making them beleivable for the naive citizens of country A and before you know it even married men whop are getting it regulalry are prepared to throw petrol bombs and jump in front of tanks...

I very much doubt it. Have you ever had children of your own?

There's a time for Molotovs, and there's a time to settle down and be happy.

Something people should remember. The Tiannamen boys were all young college kids. Hardly no families for those folks, and in all honesty, I've never really liked college activists that much myself.

Reasonable people don't go to drastic unless faced with unlivable circumstances.

Shame really, maybe we could have worldwide benificent dictatorship...

but please not under MC Hammer!

What? You don't like Hammer? What's wrong with you guys?

I believe it can be done.

As I said, realistically, not all of the people would support it. However, the support of a strong armed forces would suffice. Hard working people with families to support do not have time to disrupt trains and kidnap MP's. That's a thing only for bachelors.

Only greedy and selfish people would choose democracy over good government. Democracy was never meant for the common man anyways. It can never properly work.

Eventually, people would get sick of idiots hurting and killing people. If life is tolerable, if you have enough food, a decent home, a job with which you can support you're family and are allowed to worship in peace, and given the chance to have a family and to raise your children in a place and nation that will give them a future and are kept safe from extortion, robbery and corruption, then really, what more do you want? If you have all that, would you go out and start killing police officers and marching in the streets, endangering yourself, just to have a few abstract things you feel you have a right to? If so, you'd be a damn fool in my opnion.

It is my belief it could be done.

Scarily I largely agree with you... The trouble is people in country A who are doing OK see country B that have 'freedom' and they are told lies like 'freedom' = wealth and happiness. The Government in Country A gets a bit worried and tries to suppress such silly stories therefore making them beleivable for the naive citizens of country A and before you know it even married men whop are getting it regulalry are prepared to throw petrol bombs and jump in front of tanks...

Shame really, maybe we could have worldwide benificent dictatorship... but please not under MC Hammer!

This kind of government would be the best kind IF it worked. But, human nature is very greedy, and lazy. If they are garentied all of those things, why go to work every day?

You misunderstand me. It's quite the opposite. It's all about not being lazy and greedy for the good of others.

If people have a chance at a reasonable life for their hard work, than they'll for sure work hard. The odd one won't, but then they won't do well, and if they cause upset, we can deal with them just like we do normally.

People would still have to work hard. But you'd be surprised how many people would work hard if they were just given the chance to be reasonably rewarded for their work.

But in a chaos free market economy, everyone has to fend for themselves, everyone competes against each other to beat each other rather than work with each other for the good of everyone. Break out the nines, we've gotta take out the neighbhours, you know?

A nation can never properly function when it's citizens are competing against their countrymen.

History has proven that free enterprise works best.

I don't believe you've been looking at your history very well. Don't know who's been teaching you history, don't know what you've been seeing at, but I've lived in a free market economy all my life, and it's made me and people around me do terrible things to their countrymen for our own greed, and made those people do awful things to us, all while the people a social step above us do the same to us and to each other. Dog eat dog.

And, power corupts, that is why a world dictator, or any dictator is a bad idea.

I disagree.

Power must be concentrated for efficiency, and power is not corrupting. It's just that the corrupt always want power. People don't gain office and forget their values and become corrupt. Bad people try to get power with the values of others.

Hmm... I believe in absolute monarchy is the best form of government.

A good leader is a good leader and a bad leader is a bad leader, no matter what you call them.

Doc Duvalier was thinking about switching his title from President to Emperor, but do you really think it would make a damn bit of difference?

I used to know two guys who ran some neighbhourhoods in Montreal who were called Crazy C (Who reffered to himself as His Royal Flyness) and Alge (Algeria) Ali. Good guys, they kept things in order for a while. What the hell difference did the nicknames make? Not a damn thing.

Just looking at the countries that have that kind of government makes me say so, but when I really understand the system, it makes me convinced even more.

There's really not that much to it.

Look at the countries that have absolute monarchy: Saudia Arabia, Sultanate of Brunei, UAE... These are some of them.. And they are the wealthiest countries on the planet. Their system has got be working or they would have not been that rich, right?

That's good luck, not good government.

I have no respect for the House of Saud. If there was ever a more corrupt and sinful band of bastar.ds it's hard to say. The others are decent, but not great leaders.

When you really think about it... When a monarch rules a country, he'd be already rich so he wouldn't need to steal money from the government for his own, so he will be really helping the country.. Of course there will be some bad kings or queens who are greedy and will want more money, but that has a smaller chance of happening.

Dee, I don't think you quite understand that nearly every person who has ever been elected or made a national leader already came from a rich and powerful family. Look at anywhere in the world. Power rarely comes without money. That's not at all how it goes. Look deeper.

My wish is that all of the Arabs become one big country ruled by one monarch.

What a disgusting thought. A racial supremist superstate. The very idea makes me sick to my stomach. Not only would to bring about that you would have to ink near two dozen proud nations out of existence to conglomerate them into a nauseauting sprawling mass, you would have to deal with all of those troublesome minorities.

Skinheads a la moyen orient.

A state based on racial nationalism is a sickening idea if you ask me.

That's probably right but there are also other countries that have oil but are far from rich, for example: Sudan and Somalia!

Edit: How did I forget Egypt?? LOL! Egypt is reasonably rich in oil... It is FAR from rich!

And then there are countries that are rich and not monarchies.

The title means nothing. It's leadership that counts.

And that's why I want it to happen so much! Because everyone thinks it's impossible and that it'll make big problems... But think of it, if the Arab world becomes rich, it's the Westerns who will make wars with them, trying to steal their resources, exactly like USA and Iraq!

I say all the whites should get together and take on all comers. So should the africans, the Indians and the Chinese.

Fuc.k that. Race states are a fantasy of the foolish and hateful.





Phaylynx, there is no way in hell that your government is even dreaming of a war with Iran. Not a chance in hell. They wouldn’t to it if the whole country was behind them.

America isn’t going to be starting ANY new wars anytime soon, and definitely not with Japan or China. The minute your country did that, it would have slit it’s own throat.

I think we might have talk about it a while back in this forum somewhere, actually.

And by the way, there’s nearly no Arabs in Iran.

[avi messika]

he won't be able to justify any action against iran.

at least not legitimately.

[Schme]

He's not even dreaming of it, nor is anyone.

Both of those guys are all talk.

I found the thread by the way.

http://www.cantr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6618

[west]

He's not even dreaming of it, nor is anyone.

I wish you were right.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact

[Dee]

I agree with you, Schme, any good leader would make a good country... But really the idea of uniting the Arabs is not such a bad idea... The northern american continent is all united, is that a bad thing? No, I don't think it is.

I don't know much about politics, but I know that if that happens, it strengthens the economy, that's all I'm saying!

And, really, rest assured that it's not going to happen in a billion years.

[notsure]

Can we get back to the personal questions? They were much more interesting.

notsure

[west]

I agree with you, Schme, any good leader would make a good country... But really the idea of uniting the Arabs is not such a bad idea... The northern american continent is all united, is that a bad thing? No, I don't think it is.

I don't know much about politics, but I know that if that happens, it strengthens the economy, that's all I'm saying!

And, really, rest assured that it's not going to happen in a billion years.

The North American continent is hardly united; Mexico, Canada and the U.S. rarely see eye to eye on much anymore, no to mention the Central American states...if you asked a Newfie whether they felt united with someone from Guatemala they'd look at you askance...

Besides, North America is not heterogenous. People from all "races" and ethnicities, from all over the world, settled here, not to mention all the peoples that were here before the Europeans settled. A pan-Arab state like you're advocating would be just one ethnic group. And I agree with Schme; nothing good can come of it.

Oh, and just because they're rich doesn't mean the country's doing well

[Schme]

You're saying alot more than that, Dee.

And North America is not united. Canada is not part of the United States, nor is Mexico, and many millions will be buried before that ever happens.

[Edit: Looks like you beat me to it, West.]

West, America is not going to invade Iran. I'm sorry if that makes President Bush look slightly less insane, but he's not even considering it. He may be a corperate puppet, extremly immoral, a liar, a killer, a sinner and a traitor to your nation, but he's not stupid. Sometimes he looks it, but he's not stupid, and neither are the people who control them. Basta.rds, maybe, but not stupid.

Even if America wanted to invade Iran, they couldn't do it.