Religion

[Dee]

Those of you who do not believe in the existence of God, can you tell me how the world was made? I really need an explanation... Maybe you do have one.

[Jack Dudeman]

You mean scientifically? I'd love to discuss the formation of the planets and the solar system, but I think that's for another thread.

[Nixit]

Those of you who do not believe in the existence of God, can you tell me how the world was made? I really need an explanation... Maybe you do have one.

The Bing Bang theory doesn't cut it for ya?

[KVZ]

Those of you who do not believe in the existence of God, can you tell me how the world was made? I really need an explanation... Maybe you do have one.

You are kidding, are not you?

OK, if you can deny one of those:

As it stands today, the Big Bang is dependent on three assumptions:

1. The universality of physical laws
2. The cosmological principle
3. The Copernican principle

...then it would be easier to belive that there is any god which crated universe and listen to your prayers

[Jack Dudeman]

As for the formation of the Earth, the sun, and indeed everything else in the universe... If you believe that god created all these things, then you could end any scientific query with 'god did it'.

How did the Earth form? God did it.

Why is there gravity? God made it.

Why is the sky blue? God made it that way.

You see, if we, as a race, had assumed that god did everything, then how would we learn about the world, and universe that we live in? We would still be living as we were in the Dark Ages.

Visible comets used to be a sign of bad omen. But now we know that comets are a very common, normal part of our solar system. The same can be said of a great many other things, but I will stop there.

[Dee]

Not true! God created everything, yes, but everything has its own physics and science... I'm sorry that my english is not so good and that I am so sick I cannot explain anything right now.. Maybe when I get a little better I will.

And, the cosmological principal? It's all about God's existence!!

[Jack Dudeman]

Science and religion are like oil and water. Cosmology tries to explain the universe as a whole without assuming that 'god' was involved.

If you try to explain something scientifically while at the same time assuming that an unexplainable force is behind everything, then you have pseudoscience.

That may be another problem I have with organized religion... I am a science-minded person. And when you answer a scientific question with 'god is responsible', then the thinking stops. There is nothing left to learn, because we know all that we need to know: God did it.

[Joshuamonkey]

That's not true, we still have science to learn, but heavenly started it all. There's still science, but he can change it in a way that scientists can't explani, or they atleast think they can. Actually, I can't really explan how he does things, but I know that he does it.

Now before I'm corrected... I realize that not all religions believe that non-believers will go to hell, but certainly the Christians do.

Mormons are christians and we don't believe that.

[Pie]

....... Non believers WILL go to hell. No offence... but thats just common sence. Hey, lets say the government wants to give everyone a rebate. Now, would this government give a tax rebate to people who don't give there taxes? NO!! Dosent make since. The same with god. Why would he give heaven to people who DON'T EVEN BELIEV HE EXISTS?

For god so loved the world, that WHOEVER BELIEVED IN HIM would not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhon 3:16

Also... You know what? Science can live in TOTAL harmony with religion. IT just depends on the religion. Such as the old catholic church... with all its coruption and stuff.... well.. no science there. BUT you know what? Alot of scientific people WHERE CRISTIANS!! lets give an example...
Roger Bacon,Johannes Kepler,Johannes Baptista van Helmont,Blaise Pascal,Robert Boyle,Anton van Leeuwenhoek,Carolus Linnaeus,Leonhard Euler,John Dalton,Michael Faraday,John Frederick William Herschel,Matthew Fontaine, Maury James Prescott, Joule Gregor Mendel, William Thomson, Lord Kelvin James Clerk, Maxwell George Washington, Carver Arthur and Stanley Eddington

Some people, who were cristians with the same mindset as yourself Jack. They can't just take pree-chewd things, such as, god created it. They want to know how god created it, why he created it, what it does, why it does that, and how it does that.

[Nalaris]

God exists.. You know why? Because He answers my prayers

I got an idea, how about everyone take a minute and try praying. Don't be stubborn and just give up a minute of your day to try.
Though you have to ask in faith. Worth a try, I think.

That's kind of what Stan was saying about the channels (on a side note, I believe it was King Kill who pointed out a flaw in his colors metaphor whilst ignoring the fact that it was a metaphor...what does the sight of animals have to do with a metaphor?!?). These people won't pray because...you know what, I dunno. Even if they do, they'll do it to prove you wrong. And because they do it with the intent, they shall recieve no answer. None of them are questioning their belief that God does not exist. Ironically, most faithful people in this debate have questioned their faith, but have stuck with it none the less.

I realize that not all religion believe that non-believers will go to hell, but certainly the Christians do.

You assume to much. Go read up on the Mormons belief. Wait, don't bother, I'll do it for you.

We believe that there are three heavenly kingdoms, and hell. If someone knows of God's existance and still works against him, they go to hell. Everyone else gets divide up between the three heavenly kingdoms according to how good in general they've been. While it's considered sin to turn down the mormon faith whence it's been offered, you can't be condemned for never having had contact with mormonism. You can still be a bad or good guy in general, but you're not responsible for what's outside of your control.

And Jack, your experiment is flawed. God answers the prayers of those who sincerely believe he will answer. If you're praying to prove someone else right or wrong, he won't do anything. Hard proof like that defies the point of life on Earth which is, by the way, a test. As for the bears, give me the scripture and then I'll debate with you. Until then your argument is flawed. The freedom to choose between good and evil is also capitalized in Mormon beliefs, so anything restricting that is seen as wrong.

Again, Jack, your logic is flawed. We know WHO made everything through religion. Science cannot answer that. There's still a great point of finding out HOW. The more we know about the world God gave us, the better we can use it. One of the purposes of the Aaronic priesthood is 'obtain as much education as possible'. Does that sound like an ignorant religion to you?

Who says God didn't cause the big bang?

And Pie...our beliefs may not be the same, but your consistent research and use of evidence is inspiring. My respect for you has tripled since the beginning of this thread. Your spelling and grammar can go hang, you're the smartest guy here.

[Pie]

Your spelling and grammar can go hang, you're the smartest guy here.

Anyway....

In the bible, it isn't really clear about how heaven and hell works. BUT, in revelations, it sais"the lake of fire was created for the devil, and his angels, the wiked, and all liars" but of course, the bible isn't very clear about hell.It also sais something about hades, wich is a place of punishment. It is described as "a place of darkness, and gnashing of teath" Jesus also mentioned something about abraham's busom, wich could be sheol, wich means "the grave" or something. It does make since, though, that sheol would be just a place to be, until judgment day comes. ALSO, people aren't throuwn into the lake of fire until judgment day. Now... also... man, this is a big change to my beliefs. in mathiew, it sais that jesus will seperate the sheep frome the goats, based upon their works. they will reseav a reward... but not the same reward as people who follow crist. whew. thats a life shocker. Also, it mentions another group, called the elect group, or the bride.

man, that is a real life shocker for me. huh.

so, there are 3 levels of reward, and 2 levels of punishment, and a place to wait until judgment day.

[west]

Clear as mud.

[Torkess_theCommie]

all this religion is....so confusing!

Well ok here goes. I don't believe in god. Don't ask me why.
I do believe in the big bang theory, but I don't Believe God started it.
Ummm... Yea Pie, considering about how much you know about the bible I'd say you're a smart guy...it's just the spelling and grammer.

[Joshuamonkey]

so, there are 3 levels of reward, and 2 levels of punishment, and a place to wait until judgment day.

You figured that out from the Bible? I've never read the whole Bible myself yet. Anyway, there are three levels of reward, and a place to until judgement day. If you were good and know about the gospel then you go in spirit paradise, and if you were bad you go to spirit prison. You are taught the gospel there so they give everyone a fair chance. Sorry that I can't explain this very clearly...

Never heard of 2 levels of punishment.


You have to really be bad to go to the bad place.

....... Non believers WILL go to hell. No offence... but thats just common sence.

I've given up on the spelling errors. Anyway, its actually common sense for everyone to be given the same chance. Otherwise, the whole plan of salvation would be flawed. You can't expect everyone to know about 'one true religion', and believe it. A lot has to do with how someone grows up.

[Torkess_theCommie]

You can't expect everyone to know about 'one true religion', and believe it. A lot has to do with how someone grows up.

I agree with you on that one.