Religion

SekoETC · Postby **SekoETC** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:05 pm

I'm a she... I think. And I can't bother to put line breaks into text no one cares about. Everyone here has their own beliefs and nothing's gonna change them.

deadboy · Postby **deadboy** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:10 pm

That's wrong. Apparently 2,000 people converted from christianity to Islam in the last year. I myself, have no idea what I am, I am christian, but not wholy christian. I kind have my own thoughts about christianity.

But then again, doesn't everyone now?

Solfius · Postby **Solfius** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:14 pm

SekoETC wrote:I'm a she... I think. And I can't bother to put line breaks into text no one cares about. Everyone here has their own beliefs and nothing's gonna change them.

I did actually bother to read it, as best i could: large blocks of text are hard for me to read on screen.

As for beliefs and such, they do change, subtley over time, but I agree none will change their beliefs because of this thread.

formerly known as hf · Postby **formerly known as hf** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:19 pm

Solfius wrote:but I agree none will change their beliefs because of this thread.

Nor do I think that was the intention of anyone here.

Nixit · Postby **Nixit** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:02 pm

It is quite interesting though. I admit I am an avid follower of this thread.

I'd get a subscription if I could.

Pie · Postby **Pie** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:19 pm

Awe soot. DARNIT!!! i lost all of my work. So i will give you the short vertion.
H.F........
If someone(Example, the deciples) witnesses divinity, and is marterd for it, that makes the divinity part of it true.

If someone witnesses someone els going into a cave, and then coming out, sying that HE witnessed divinity, and is marterd for it, that proves one thing. the part about the someone els SAYING that they saw divinity.

The truth is, people can't always be trusted. So, the
the secon't one is a perfict example of the example that YOU gave. The Warior, did he see an actual MIRACLE? or someone SAYING they saw a miracle? The womon who is the 6th ever muslim, did she see DIVINITY? or did she see someone SAYING they saw divinity.

SekoETC · Postby **SekoETC** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:22 pm

I pretty much hate this thread. I don't know why I bother to write. Everyone is trying to prove each other wrong.
And I bet many people titled as Christians do not have personal faith, they just go to church because it's a custom. So saying so and so Christian people converted to Muslims might not be that accurate. Sure people convert into lots of religions, back and forth. Many are disappointed with their churches. Even my mom who is a devout Christian is going to separate from the Lutheran church in some point, because it has gone so much towards Catholism, which we consider a step towards paganism. I haven't been thinking about it much, it's the church I was raised in. But I know now that they have made their mistakes. But is a community that's slightly off track better than no community at all? I've been in a gospel choir for a few months, closing half a year soon and it has somehow opened my heart, I have started studying Bible and other religious literature though I'd rather keep it hidden from my mom so that she couldn't tell me "haha, I told you so!" (She's been shoving religious material at me for ages and I fought against it all just because she's my mother and I'm only a few years more than a teen, so of course I rebel.)

Oh, and I've been told that probably Muhammed did get contacted by the real God, but he didn't obey all the things he should've, thus creating a rebelling religion. For example about having several wives. Some say that Muhammed would've wanted to set the limit to one but because he was afraid of the elders, he had to give them a bit of slack. And others say that he personally wanted to have several wives and therefor the limit wasn't tighter.

Pie · Postby **Pie** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:35 pm

Yea, and I must say, it's compleatly futile. EVERYONE KNOWS I'M RIGHT(just kidding. :wink:

) But I just came in here to debait. It's becous some of us love debaiting. So I sugest we just stop all this. Nothing is going to come of this. so lets just stop, alright?

Nalaris · Postby **Nalaris** » Wed May 17, 2006 1:52 am

Nixit wrote:It is quite interesting though. I admit I am an avid follower of this thread. I'd get a subscription if I could.

Well, it's $19.99 per month or you could get the yearly subscription for $149.99, which is a $240 value-

Wait...never mind...

Dee · Postby **Dee** » Wed May 17, 2006 4:51 am

SekoETC wrote:Oh, and I've been told that probably Muhammed did get contacted by the real God, but he didn't obey all the things he should've, thus creating a rebelling religion. For example about having several wives. Some say that Muhammed would've wanted to set the limit to one but because he was afraid of the elders, he had to give them a bit of slack. And others say that he personally wanted to have several wives and therefor the limit wasn't tighter.

Please, allow me to make you understand, and probably believe...

Muhammed did get contacted by Allah, it is considered a miracle that has happened to no one else but him.

He went up there in a journey that is called Al-Israa' wal Mearaj. On his way up to Allah, he saw Heaven. Yes, he did. Do you know what he saw? He saw an angel building a beautiful house, he asked the angel who the house was for? The angel told him it was for a man who worshiped Allah and always remembered Him.

When he went up there, Allah told Muhammed that one thing every muslim should do is pray fifty times a day. Yes, fifty (50).

Muhammed told Him that 50 prayers a day was simply too much, there would be no other time to work or do anything else (please note that this does not mean he didn't obey what Allah said). So, Allah told him alright, you should pray five times a day.. Can you believe this? From 50 to five. Allah loved Muhammed so much.

As for the multiple wife thing, well... It is not like Muhammed said okay I'll go get four wives and no one can stop me, no. It was Allah who gave him the permission to have four wives. But there is a reason.

The reason is so he could marry a Christian, a Jewish, and any women from any other relegions and make them become Muslims. And when he did marry them, they did become Muslims. Not because Muhammed tortured them or anything, but because they loved the relegion and believed in it and believed in Allah.

I wish Muhammed was still alive.

west · Postby **west** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:39 am

Me too. He'd be way old! And he could tell the crazies that do things in his name to cut it out.

formerly known as hf · Postby **formerly known as hf** » Wed May 17, 2006 7:18 am

Pie wrote:The truth is, people can't always be trusted. So, the
the secon't one is a perfict example of the example that YOU gave. The Warior, did he see an actual MIRACLE? or someone SAYING they saw a miracle? The womon who is the 6th ever muslim, did she see DIVINITY? or did she see someone SAYING they saw divinity.

Yes. They saw miracles, it wasn't second-hand experience. They had first-hand, eye witness knowledge and maryred themselves. Just like the disciples of your Bible.

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Dee · Postby **Dee** » Wed May 17, 2006 10:55 am

Mykeyrools wrote:I just want to throw my 2 cents in.FIRST ALL ORGANIZED religion is evil I dont have a resource atm but There is good historical evidence,that Islam was created by the early popes as an excuse to invade the muslim regions.

Come again?

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