99%

[goitre]

I think Marol's idea would balance productivity, eg. an near-hour-long project would take nearly one hour. Of course productivity is set at an arbitrary level, and so it's equally arbitrary if it's increased or decreased. Remember you're playing a game in which it can take months of real time to build a house, I don't think Cantr is meant to be an action-packed production centre with more fission atomisers then people.

The loss of productivity at the end of a project encourages work on longer projects.

Wacky idea: Perhaps projects should take an extra hour after reaching 100% to complete, this way it is (moreso) in a characters benefit to create longer projects to prevent this loss, requiring collaboration.

By the way, lose and loose are different words. Eg. "I do not wish to lose my game of chess." "Those knots are loose, and so I can escape!"

Edited: False assertion.

[Chris Johnson]

True , I accept that - For projects smaller that one Cantr hour there is productivity loss (though currently if you start your 2 minute example 1 minute before the processing you do get twice the productivity a continuous system would give you ) But how much is that really a problem? its a different issue from the 99% complete .

I have no objections to a (more) continuous system - it is more realistic
I just have concerns about how this can be implemented and its impact on the server.

[marol]

And referring to Chris's post:

Project processing in Cantr is a discrete process (i.e happens at set intervals of 1 Cantr hour) which is simulating what most people consider to be a continuous process (i.e. work on a project proceeds evenly over time).

The continuous process is simulated by adding in an hours worth of work when the project is processed.

It's simple - why to simulate if it could be real continuous?

Edit: Just seen last Chris's post - don't worry I have an idea, but we could talk about it in PgD.

[the_antisocial_hermit]

It's just more realistic.

- it is more realistic

But is it Cantrealistic?

Maybe it will help or not help/hinder productivity; I don't know. It's all still a little fuzzy to me, but it seems to go against the whole idea of Cantr being a slow-paced game. I mean... Cantr isn't supposed to be an instant gratification game.

Maybe I'm just not looking at it the right way, since I'm still failing to see any pros truly worth such a big change?

[marol]

Dear Hermi. Frankly, in my opinion whole staff actions are directed toward more reality, never against. All changes that happened or is happening are because we want Cantr more real. And I feel Cantrreality is only an excuse to us when something is strange or doesn't work as supposed to

In particular - current projects system simulates RL. So why to not make it more real?

[Solfius]

in my opinion whole staff actions are directed toward more reality, never against. All changes that happened or is happening are because we want Cantr more real. And I feel Cantrreality is only an excuse to us when something is strange or doesn't work as supposed to

How I feel it ought to be, and hence I like this idea.

I thought it was part of the long term vision for the game to make a change similar to this?

That may possibly have been a suggestion where you don't specify a gathering project, you just start digging and stop when you like or have enough. This continous update idea would actually facilitate the gathering suggestion.

[west]

I feel that if cantr gets too close to reality I'm just going to have to quit one or the other. Who has time for two lives, much less sixteen?

[Solfius]

I feel that if cantr gets too close to reality I'm just going to have to quit one or the other. Who has time for two lives, much less sixteen?

It is a fine line, and that is the challenge the staff face: realism, but not at the expense of playability

[Marian]

Erm...I don't like this at all. Yeah it would be nice in a few specific situations, but I don't think that's worth changing up the entire system for. What we have now works...Cantr is supposed to be a slow, tick-based game, remember? I already have to check my chars way too often as it is, but it at least helps to know the major things usually only happen every three hours. If this changes then I'm going to have to remember exactly how much longer all nine of my characters have to go on their projects at all times, and be checking constantly to see how other people's projects are going. I really sympathize with the people who have 15. And you really just NEED the three hour window for so many things, I think it'd be a disaster to get rid of it.

Another example - it's late (about midnight) and I'm finishing scythe and want to farm corn. My scythe progress just achieved 98% so I have to wait another 3 hours (and probably wake in the middle of the night) to start farming. In the new system it would take only half an hour.

Switch to another project and finish the scythe in the morning? No productivity lost that way. I have one character who is obsessed with effieciency and would be crushed if they wasted a single hour, and the currect system lets me avoid that without turning obsessive myself and waking up in the middle of the night for things.

And I'm not buying any of this 'reality' stuff. If the staff is so worried about it, aren't there many, many, more unrealistic things that should be fixed first? How come my chars never have to go to the bathroom, for starters?

[The Sociologist]

Erm...I don't like this at all. Yeah it would be nice in a few specific situations, but I don't think that's worth changing up the entire system for. What we have now works...Cantr is supposed to be a slow, tick-based game, remember?

Very well put, the whole thing. Thanks.

This all used to work perfectly. Then tiredness was introduced. Tiredness is currently the most meaningless nonsense in the game, since it goes away every 8 cantr hours anyway. All it does is screw up hunting (if you're a weaker hunter and can't log in at exactly the right time) and it screws up economic calculations. That's all it does anymore.

So fix what's broken. Don't fix the whole game around what's broken!

[Nixit]

I really sympathize with the people who have 15.

There's no reason to sympathize with them, they made all those 15, it was their choice.

All it does is screw up hunting (if you're a weaker hunter and can't log in at exactly the right time) and it screws up economic calculations.

...and you know, stop one man massacres.

[the_antisocial_hermit]

Erm...I don't like this at all. Yeah it would be nice in a few specific situations, but I don't think that's worth changing up the entire system for. What we have now works...Cantr is supposed to be a slow, tick-based game, remember?

Very well put, the whole thing. Thanks.

This all used to work perfectly. Then tiredness was introduced. Tiredness is currently the most meaningless nonsense in the game, since it goes away every 8 cantr hours anyway. All it does is screw up hunting (if you're a weaker hunter and can't log in at exactly the right time) and it screws up economic calculations. That's all it does anymore.

So fix what's broken. Don't fix the whole game around what's broken!

Indeed, quite what I was thinking all along. lol Marian, you said exactly what I was wanting to say...

[The Sociologist]

All it does is screw up hunting (if you're a weaker hunter and can't log in at exactly the right time) and it screws up economic calculations.

...and you know, stop one man massacres.

So keep it for massacres, for all I care. We're not talking massacrists getting tired here, we're talking carrot farmers!

[Nixit]

That tiredness is basically negligible.

[west]

I agree with Marian. Cantr is intended to be slow and tick-based! And COVERED IN BEES!

Er, sorry. Don't know how that last bit got in there.