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Postby formerly known as hf » Thu May 11, 2006 12:57 pm

On a similar note, does anyone ever feel threatened by groups of teenagers 'hanging about' on streets, especially after dark? And is there anything which they could be doing/wearing which would make it more threatening?

As far as curfews go, I never had one as such, I just had to say where I would be going. My younger sister doesn't have one either, just that she has to call home before midnight to say where she is and how she's getting home, which has to be with someone (mobile phones were before my time). But that was only after I was 14, before then I had to be home at certain times, and I do remember thinking that I wasn't really all that young, and could well make my own descisions about what was safe or not. And I still think that, I think most teenagers, 12+, are more than capable of making their own descisions on such things.

Local curfews, enforced by police tend to be a US thing. But I do remember me and my friends getting stopped, quite regularly, at night by police, from about the ages of 12 to 16. It seemed that all we had to do was be in a group, in public, and we were 'suspicious'. The worst we ever got up to, bar maybe two/three occasions, was cider in the park.
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Postby SekoETC » Thu May 11, 2006 6:10 pm

I'm especially afraid of loud drunken people, no matter what their age. And then those who look like foreigners. My brother was told while in Helsinki that if you see a group of Somalian guys during dark, you'd better move to the other side of the road just for self-protection. I'm more afraid of Middle-Eastern than black guys, though. Probably all those guys in the Web, and then that Kashmirian I went to have lunch with. *shivers*
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Postby west » Thu May 11, 2006 9:54 pm

Basically I just don't like people who don't look and act and dress and think like I do. So anyone under six feet tall (or significantly older), with any skin color other than paleish brown, and especially all women scare the shit out of me. Oh, and you'd better speak English with an American Midwest accent or I'm calling the cops. :roll:
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Postby Torkess_theCommie » Fri May 12, 2006 1:41 am

I didn't really have a curfew, wasn't the type to go outside much, but then again there is nothing to do where we live, anyways when I did go downtown I just sorta knew when to come home. When I go to a friends house on school nights, I usually have to be back home by 10pm, if its not a school night then 12pm, so yea, curfews don't really bug me 'cause I'm not out much. And yes thank god for cell phones.

Well once in a while there are groups of drunk teens who like to hang out in front of my house, its always a different group so its kinda weird, and I know it's always different because I know the teens in the groups. I think they hangout in front of my house 'cause the elementary school right across the street so they can easily call a taxi there? I dunno, well they don't frighten me, I just kinda laught at them, since I know who they are
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Postby HoH » Fri May 12, 2006 4:19 am

Umm, curfew? I'm not exactly one of those thug teenagers...

My wild and crazy night out is staying in with a mug of hot cocoa sitting in front of my computer and wreaking havoc on cantr.

Then again, you know, the streets of Montana can be very very dangerous.
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Postby sanchez » Fri May 12, 2006 5:10 am

The gun crime rate in Oakland, California where I live is pretty high, even for a US city. So any group of boys hanging about after dark is to be avoided. Standing on a corner is enough to be threatening.

Police enforcement of 'curfews', legislated or not, is frankly racist, and so varies by neighborhood.

I lived in one neighbourhood where the police use to stage 'sweeps', which meant they arrested anyone outside. They'd let go without charges many, but it's definitely a loss of autonomy where you have your home.
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Postby Antichrist_Online » Fri May 12, 2006 4:43 pm

I've not really had a curfue other than a self imposed one of been in bed by ten (My parents don't mind me been out if I phone them every hour or so after 8pm). I have seen alot of gangs hanging round after dark, but I tend to be much scarier than them so get left alone, they tend to look for soft targets. My mate and I were however questioned by the police one night, but that was because we thought it was a good idea to go for a jog at 1am.
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Postby formerly known as hf » Fri May 12, 2006 6:59 pm

sanchez wrote:Police enforcement of 'curfews', legislated or not, is frankly racist, and so varies by neighborhood.
Out of interest, have you seen that directed primarily at Hispanic or African American teenagers?
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Postby west » Fri May 12, 2006 9:53 pm

Put it this way: It's generally not whitey who gets looked at with suspicion.
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Postby formerly known as hf » Sat May 13, 2006 1:23 am

The same thing happens in the UK, if you're Black, a teenager, and out in public. You might as well be the devil as far as the police are concerned. What scares me, though, is that in some places in North America, officials haven't even bothered trying to pretend that curfews aren't racially motivated, and will publicly say it's to keep Black kids in line... At least, unlike here, they're being honest I suppose...
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Postby west » Sat May 13, 2006 1:28 am

I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I'm strongly against racial discrimination. On the other hand, there's been an escalating series of robberies, assaults, and burglaries on and near my campus (just this week, a man was robbed in the middle of campus during evening hours and two dorm rooms were broken into---it's a miniature crime spree!) and I'm sorry to say all but one were committed by young African-American men wearing loose hooded sweatshirts or something similar. So should University police start targeting young black people wearing hoodies on campus?

To add to the confusion, North Campus has a fair amount of athletes--American football players, basketball players, etc. that are African-American and frequently wear hoodies (as do 80% of the school, let's be honest).

So, if you were a school official in this situation, what would you do? Keep in mind you probably have a few dozen angry WASPish parents breathing down your neck about recent security problems already.
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Postby formerly known as hf » Sat May 13, 2006 1:49 am

What would you do?

I would beef up security, I certainly wouldn't base any assumptions of criminality upon someone's skin colour. But I know, unfortuantely, I'm a minority in that outlook.

If crime has a racial or ethnic aspect to it, which it, unfortunately, often does, the answer is not to exacerbate it by making a group of people vistims of harrassment.

I'm caucasian, but as a teenager, the majority of my friends, at least the ones I spent time in public with, were African-Carribean. My friends were fairly regualrly stopped by the police. It wasn't necessarily aggressive, not always a search involved, but it was clear indication that they were 'keeping an eye' on them, for no clear reason excpet they were Black kids. I have never experienced that being part of a group of white kids, except a few times, mostly because we were torching a car or nicking one, so there's an excuse there...
Which kinda prooves my point, I never did anything (majorly) illegal except for a few times when I was amongst a few of the other white kids nearby. Yet I had the most familiarity with police when I was amongst mostly non-white kids.
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Postby Joshuamonkey » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:12 am

When I Was younger I always was off the computer at 10:00, and I wish I still had that. I really need a curfew...I don't want it, but I want it. Right now its 10:04 so I'll try going to sleep!

Atleast I take naps....
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Postby Wilmer Bordonado » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:06 am

When I was younger, I was threatened by the local skinheads several times... but it was not during night hours, but at day hours there at the school. Once I got my nose broken, in an unfair fight. It was daylight time, too. But he wasn't a skinhead, he was just a punk.
Nowadays there are a lot of robbery and kidnapping in my country that going out at night could be an adventure. When I was younger -let's say 1990 decade- I used to go out with my friend to the streets all night long.
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Postby KVZ » Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:52 am

I have curfew of my own choice. I hate to leave my bunker (house) at late hours, but sometime I can force myself... as I hope... Not that I am only scared of someone, but I also worry what my demons can do at night ;) :twisted:

This topic reminded me about my very old topic here about curfew with poll and song about curfew... There was so low response :(

http://www.cantr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1707

Maybe we can reincarnate that poll and that topic too? :P
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