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[west]

666 x 3 - 13 = the year i was born

wooo

[rklenseth]

Why do people consider the 'Beast' to be the Anti-Christ? 'The Beast' was a Roman Emperor that was particularly hard on Christians during his reign and some believe could have been the Anti-Christ but if he was it wasn't much of an Anti-Christ.

Personally, I believe in Nostradamus. Three Ant-Christs, one from France, one from Germany, and one from the Middle East and in that exact order. And none actually from those areas. Reason believing that Napoleon is the first Anti-Christ, the one from France that wasn't exactly French. The Second Anti-Christ is Hitler, the one from Germany and Hitler was actually from Austria (but Austria was considered part of Germany at that time). And look what has been happening in the Middle East for the past 50 years. The third Anti-Christ is suppose to be the worse and most terrible.



In the year 1999 and seven months
The Great King of Terror will come from the sky,
He will bring back to life the great king of the Mongols.
Before and after the God of war reigns happily.
Century 10, Q 72

____

At forty-five degrees, the sky will burn,
Fire approaches the great new city,
Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
When they want to have verification from the Norman

(Century VI, Quatrain 97)

____

The king will want to enter the new city,
Through its enemies they will come to subdue it
Captives liberated to speak and act falsely,
King to be outside, he will keep far from the enemy.

Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the hollow mountains,
It will be seized and plunged into the Vat,
Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur.

(Century X , Quatrain 49)

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By fire he will destroy their city,
A cold and cruel heart,
Blood will pour,
Mercy to none.

Earth-shaking fire from the center of the earth.
will cause the towers around the New City to shake,
Two great rocks for a long time will make war,
And then Arethusa (a ship) will color a new river red.

(Century 1, Quatrain 87)

And if you read Nostradamus works then you would know that before the thrid Anti-Christ comes 9 white calfs will be born. The ninth white calf known to have ever been born has been born recently. So in other words, we're pretty much screwed if you believe in Nostradamus.

At least he says that good will win in the end and evil vanguished.

[west]

he's like astronomy.

so ambiguous as to mean almost anything.

I don't believe his 'prophecies'....

um..if you read the bible the "beast" is considered synonymous with the anti-christ.

and it wasn't just in reference to a roman emperor.

[rklenseth]

This one is bogus. That was the one going around after 9/11. The one that I posted before is the real one.

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
two brother torn apart by chaos, while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb.

The third big war will begin the when the big city is burning.
On the 11th day of the 9th month
two metal birds would crash into two tall statues
in the New City
and the world will end soon after."


I read Nostradamus and he did used astronomy and ancient calenders for time. He also used broad statement because as he said if you read his works that God gave him the visions to warn humanity but that humanity will have to figure out on there own and that he himself claimed he didn't know what he was seeing and that he wrote what he though he was seeing.

And he predicted Hitler's rise to and fall from power to the exact dates and to what exactly happened. Hitler acutally used Nostradamus phrophesies to prove that hewould take over Europe. He just edited out the parts where he would lose.

And how he predicted the three Anti-Christs (remember, he was alive and wrote these phrophesies in the 1500 Century) in almost a conincidental way. Napoleon was one of the worse people on the face of Europe during his time. Millions of people were died because of things he did and a lot of pain and suffering occurred. Hitler was the same as well as he is pinned with the Holocaust which makes him worse and now look what is happening in the Middle East.

Also remember what you read from Dune. If God gave the phrophesies to Nostradamus as he claimed as a warning then there must be a way to save ourselves as well as a way to damn ourselves.

666 was given to the Roman Emperor that was considered by Christians to be 'The Beast'. 'The Beast' is used as reference (as well as a number of things) to the Anti-Christ but 666 is from the Roman Emperor and I do not believed it is referenced in the Bible. And it also depends on what version of the Bible.

[Meh]

I'll validate the the actual number references a person but wich person and how is an open issue.

Wisdom is needed here; one who understands can calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number that stands for a person. His number is six hundred and sixty-six. Rev 13:18

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/revelati ... tion13.htm

This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. Rev 13:18

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bibl ... howxref=on

[Solfius]

I have found the following passage in the the "Holy Bible - New International Version" (quoting the words on the front)

Revelations Chapter13: Verse 18
"This calls fow wisdom. If anyone has insight, let them calculate the number of the beast, fot it is a man's number. His number is 666."

edit: David G got there before me, I'll copy out of my Bible an earlier passage, referring to the beast itself: parts of the passage Rev. Chap. 13 Vrse 11-18

Vrse 11
" Then I saw another beast come out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon."

Vrse 16 - 17
"he also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to recieve his mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no-one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name

[Meh]

{That's why I added the catholic one so he could claim "not in my bible}

[Solfius]

well, it could all be symbolism, and not meant to taken literally.

[rklenseth]

{That's why I added the catholic one so he could claim "not in my bible}

Depends which Catholic Bible and from what time period and what Catholic culture.

And the Bible was still being pieced together at this time that this Roman Emperor was alive by early Christians. It wouldn't be until the Roman Empire actually adopted Christianity as the official Roman religion that a real Bible ever comes out. The only things that existed before were versions written by different Christians sects and the Dead Sea Scrolls which were later hidden by the Jewish people so that they would not be destroyed by the Romans. During this time, most Bible stories came from word of mouth stories past down from generation to generation.

So it is most likely that 666 or the Beast which refers to that Roman Emperor is used as symbolsim to the Anti-Christ because many Christians of that time called this particular Roman Emperor the Anti-Christ for what he did against Christians.

[Solfius]

I thought that all the letters (Paul 1, Paul 2, James 1, Hebrews, etc) were well, written letters? Surely they would have been copied?

Anyway, revelations being a series of visions had by Paul (I think) it is plausable that is is symbolism using the roman emperor, but this beast is the second one to be mentioned. I didn't read much about the previous one in the section before vrse 11-18, just that the second beast (the 666 beast) used the first beast's authority on his behalf, and the description is definately not of a emperor, although perhaps the marking with his symbol is possible.

[Meh]

It is meant to be taken literally.

There is 4 DNA combinations. Two chemical pairs each being able to to be on either side of the stand. Basically a base 4 numeric system.

666 in a base 10 system = 22122 in a base 4 system.

Now "a beast comming out of the earth" is a refernce to genisis where God created a man from the earth. So the reference means a being created artifically without God. Doing something this complicated is bound to have errors. This is where the 22122 and the horns come into place. The 22122 represents the reversal/mistake in the sequence which causes the horns to appear. 22122 is man's number since it man's mistake. The mark is a mark of horns or the sequnece changes.

I just made that up. I'm in the wrong line of work. I need to write a book on this and call Oprah.

[Solfius]

interesting idea nonetheless

[Pirog]

If there is a third Anti-Christ around I would guess it is George Bush.
But he is all American, isn't he?

[rklenseth]

I knew someone was going to say that but I think many people would say that George Bush is just a puppet for the Conservative agenda so he couldn't be the Anit-Christ.

Personally, I don't think the Anti-Christ has shown his ugly head yet though he may be behind many of the events that are currently taking place.

[Spectrus_Wolfus]

yes he has shown his bill gates is the third anti-christ he's trying to torture the world just look at win xp if ya don't beleive me