Post here if you're openly white supremist.

[SekoETC]

Most of my characters have a sex drive. ...But then again, I've probably made that point clear enough. And I'm not even following this topic so whatever. But I appriciate people who can keep it realistic, sometimes doing it, or suffering from the lack of it but also knowing the limits. Nothing more annoying than some munchkin pushing their boobs in the nose of every passer-by.

[Sunni Daez]

I think I can understand your points here, Torch.

But then: where is the physical basis for me rp'ing a character smiling, laughing, winking, waving,......

I find no where an exhaustive lists of body parts and organs that do funtion or do not function.

I'm wondering about the theoretical question: if cantrians laugh and sing, if cantrians can make friends, why can't they love each other and have sex. Or in some cases, do not love each other and have sex.



And about freaks that are only into this game because they want to have cybersex and other freak stuff, leave them out. I think that if you get turned on about the sex(the lines of text featuring two entries in a database) in cantr, that you're probably going the wrong way. That has nothing to do with the concept: it's about characters, male and female (or possibly two of the same sex, no problem for me) doing a physical activity they enjoy. An activity that can give a person(=character NOT player) a certain satisfaction and increase his or her happiness and self value.


Understand me well, I've only had one char engage in intercourse and she was more or less the dominated side in the event, so I'm not pleading for sex by cantrians all around town. I just don't understand why people condemn it and claim it does not belong in Cantr.

Because responsible adults have no right or reason to RP sex with a minor!

[edited to add quote]

[SekoETC]

But majority of Cantr players are not minors... You can't go saying it's bad to consider playing sex because there's a chance of the opponent being a minor. It's like saying I can't drive a car because someone might run on the way and get hit. Possible yeah but avoiding the clumsy rp'ers cuts down the chance a lot and you learn to recognize when someone is starting to feel uncomfortable. And many kids these days have sex in real life too. On a forum preferred by teenagers, a poll revealed that the most common age for losing virginity was 13 (!!!). The youngest cases have been 10-year-olds. While 15, 16 year olds have already seen it all and know more than their parents. That's modern day for ya.

[Sunni Daez]

So... If you drink your sixpack... you should get behind the wheel of a car ... because, chances are you won't hurt someone? I have spoke to a couple minors...both who say it makes them very uncomfortable...but both have complied as to not interfere with the roleplay.... it does not matter at what age a person loses thier virginity.... as an adult.. are you going to be the one who takes it? Are you comfortable knowing that the person you just RP'd sex with, very well could be a minor? I'm not telling you what to do... I am only stating my opinion... it is a game for the sake of pete!..... leave sex out of it... you want to RP sex your choice... now... if you know for fact the person you RP with is of consenting age.. that all great and well... I have no problem with that... and if I knew the player was an adult and not there for the cyber aspect...I very well could RP it myself.... But to RP sex is completely the players choice.....

[formerly known as hf]

I've never RP sex in Cantr, or anywhere else, and I have no desire to - but is it just me that sees it as blindingly obvious that you ask, OOC, if the player would be comfortable with that, before you go ahead and do it?

RP sex should of course be the players choice, and any responsible and caring player would make sure the other player is comfortable with it, and won't feel pressurised into it (minor or not)

Anyway - there's a whole topic for this somewhere in GD

[swymir]

I have never been in a situation where one character has just said "Let's have sex" it's usually a test adn go kind of thing it seems to me. You start out with a kiss and see hwo the character reacts than go a bit farther and a bit farther until you get the hint that both parties are comfortable with it. But htese are just my experiences.

[Torch]

It's like saying I can't drive a car because someone might run on the way and get hit.

Actually it's nothing at all like this. If you added drive a car recklessly and pay no attention to my surroundings, I'd agree totally. The fact is, if I RP sex with a minor, even if they say both to PD and me they are of age, even if they're already sexually active in the real world, for that matter even if their parents have no problem with it, aside from any moral stigma you want to put on it, I'm breaking the law. The difference is, stripped of any moral or conscientious opinions, in the RP instance, some minor "running on the way and getting hit" by my actions constitutes me breaking a law. If I'm driving responsibly (which seems to be the word that keeps getting omitted here) and someone runs on the way and gets hit, no law is broken, at least by me.

As for "experience" or the ability to sound as if someone isn't younger, that's totally immaterial in the legal context. Not to mention all kids that are intelligent and can hold adult conversations aren't active or ready for it even in cyberspace. Given that logic, the age of consent should be dropped to at least the average age of loss of virginity. And while we're at it, murder should be legal (hey, it happens anyway so it must be okay, right?), and any other laws commonly broken should just simply be ignored too.

And possibly the majority here aren't minors, but just watching the boards I'd say quite a fair number are, judging from pictures and language. And some of those who don't appear to be in their writing patterns and such, from actual statements or what they say are current pictures, are well under consent age.

I think it all boils down to a couple fairly simple questions: Would you want your thirteen or fourteen year-old son or daughter, who's quite intelligent and can hold an "adult" conversation, even if already sexually active to some level with his/her peers, RP'ing sex with someone possibly twice or three times their age? And if you found that your child had lied on his/her registration here, would you totally absolve the adult involved? (The law wouldn't, by the way.) Especially if you happened to find this thread, and find it's been pointed out the dangers and that they are so easily avoided by simply accepting responsibility and avoiding it completely since there's no guarantee? Seems like a "minor" inconvenience, if you'll excuse the pun, to guarantee that an uncomfortable and illegal situation doesn't arise.

[swymir]

Well what would you suggest someone does to avoid any confrontation with the law regarding RPing sex on Cantr.

[El_Skwidd]

I think hal. farmer pointed it out nicely. If both people are OK with it OOC, then you've responsibly solved the problem. If both people are not OK with it OOC, then don't do it. Again, you've responsibly solved the problem. Yeah, it has no bearing on the game in a physical aspect: you'll still have all your iron. The social aspect might be hurt, but I think all of us would rather hurt the fake social world than the real social and the real legal world.

That being said, I don't know if it's a good idea for minors to be RPing sex, but you have to know your situation. If my parents somehow stumbled upon something like that in my history or wherever, I know they'd be freaked out. Would they go so far as to sue whoever was on the other end?No. Their problem would be with me, not with Jos and the rest of Cantr staff. I've never been faced with the decision to RP that or not, and for that I'm glad. It's not that my characters are soulless machines; a few of them are in love or have loved and lost. There's just a certain line in my head that I draw and it's hard to explain.

[Torch]

Well what would you suggest someone does to avoid any confrontation with the law regarding RPing sex on Cantr.

With current registration process, the only guarantee is to avoid it.

The reality is the likelihood of being caught/reported are slim. On the flipside, I'd hate to be the one to win the lottery in that case.

And my parents (a long, long time ago, when I was underage) wouldn't have "sued" either, but they'd have notified authorities. I'm not sure how it is everywhere else, but in most states, once something of that nature is reported, it's no longer up to the child or the parents whether criminal charges are filed, as long as the child involved is still underage, especially when there's a record of events easily obtained.

Do what you like, as everyone will anyway. If something ever does come up though, no one who's read this thread should act shocked that it does. I just found it strange in a society that looks at such things in the news as they do, that most here have no problem playing russian roulette and chancing committing the same act themselves.

I have no desire for such RP, therefore neither do my characters, so it's not something I'll have to worry about. I thought it possible people weren't aware of the legal ramifications, but evidently they are and it's not an issue, so I'll shut up.

[formerly known as hf]

I doubt Cantr would even be the tiniest of blips on the radar of authorties dealing with child abuse on the internet.

If you have ascertained OOC that the player is comfortable and ok to go ahead with it, and you've asked them (and the PD) if they're a minor, then I doubt a prosecution case would result, as you have done all that is in your power to ascertain their age, and, furhtermore, they have lied about their age.

The solution to avoiding RPing sex with a minor, or with anyone else who doesn;t want to, is to ask OOC - not to try and slowly push it IC to 'test' the comfort - that doesn't even work in real life, people can feel pressured into things. Give the other person the chance to say no.

[Pirate Lass]

Yeah, I've RP'd sex a few times (heck one ran a brothel)... mostly with my first account, I think only one character on my present account has ever lost her cantr virginity.

But, in almost every situation I knew who players behind the other characters were, and that they were all adults.

The one time I had things heating up with a charrie that I didn't know who their player was, I held off for a bit until I managed to find out - and though they played their character just like your average adult I was shocked to find out the a 14 year old was pulling the strings.

Actually I was more than a bit disturbed.

My charrie suddenly found someplace else he had to be and made a hasty retreat. Yes, in this instance OOC information influenced my character but I would rather that than the alternative. That person never did know that I found out who they were either.

[Floris]

Oh my? So roleplayed sex(which is in no way real) is forbidden because there might be minors playing with the characters that engage with your characters.

So, what about threathening characters to take their lives or torture them or what about effectively killing characters. I could have killed the character of a minor, or the character of a person from another race as mine. I think that would be actually as bad as roleplaying sex.

Anyway, under what law system does Cantr actually fall?

Well anyway let me put another case for you:

one of my char gets raped by the char of a minor(for your confidence, I'm not a minor in my country, though I might be in another, I'm not sure, I know I'm not allowed to gamble and drink in certain countries)
So one of my char gets raped by the char of a minor. This is sex is it, but my char is sexually harassed by the minor's char. Am I now legally prosecutable?


I also seriously doubt that my country would hand me over to another country because I roleplayed sex with a minor in an online game.

So, fairly in recapitulation of my other post, I do not see why sex in Cantr should be condemned if it is not only in some sort of agreement of the two players and in a way that doesn't psychologically damage one of the players. For actually as Cantr is a society simulator, it simulates a society. There can be killing, jailing, combat, torture, but no love or sex. That is absurd.

[formerly known as hf]

Floris: Child sex is the last taboo
Violence has saturated the media, and is accepted (mostly), hence, when something involves minors, the only things that gets people really agitated is sex.
Also, violence in cantr is hardly graphic - there are mor egraphic description of kidnapping, imprisoning, torture etc. on the daily news.

There was a discussion about rape in Cantr somewhere else. It seems silly to RP rape to me, as someone else could simply ignore it - the same way it doesn't make sense (in Cantr) to RP tying someone up - as there's no programming behind it.

There is no suggestion that RPd sex will ever be banned. It doesn't make sense to ban it, at long as it remains a player choice. If that player happens to be a (under 16) teenager, and actively chooses to engage in 'cyber sex' - I see nothing wrong in that. Then again, I have never, and never plan to, have RP sex. But I would never condone anyone for 'doing it' with a minor if they were sure it was consensual.
EDIT: I am, of course, referring to teenager minors. Simply from reference of my own teenage experience, I was probably having more sex then than I am now... Younger than that is, I think, probably a different matter

Then again, I may be fairly naive in assuming that most players have the common decency to discusss it OOC first, and hence avoid any problems or the possibility of coercion.

[Stan]

I think it would fall under the local laws of the player.

If I found out my daughter (who is a minor) was having RP sex on this game or any other I would inform the FBI and the local police.

For the consenting adults, go ahead, but I would make sure who the other person is before you proceed.

Though this is a game for most of us, you should be cognizant of the fact that it is not a game for a parent of a minor and you are taking a huge risk if you are careless. That's just my friendly advice.