Discuss the Players Department

[Bowser]

Respect from people on the internet may mean a lot to you, but it doesn’t mean all that much to me, especially the respect of jerks.

Actually, I do care a bit about the people in this forum and this game.

[chadpants]

If you didn’t understand that, you could have asked me to clarify.

No clarification needed. You hate the Players' Department, but their corruption and favoritism (according to you) would be tolerable if they admitted that's how they operated.

The Player's Departement sucks. The staff is all hypocrites. I don't mind corruption, favoritism and abuse of power, but at least don't deny and lie about it.

If someone says to me "You're an a-hole, admit it", and I say "Okay, I admit I'm an a-hole", that person is really going to respond by saying "Okay, at least you admitted you're an a-hole, that's much more tolerable."? That's kind of what it sounds like you're saying.

Besides, I'd like to see that. Honesty in corruption.

[Schme]

I read your post and all I saw was someone calling the PD names... as for the woman comment, I was referring to Helll hath no fury like a woman scorned.

I see. That one went over my head.

Your comments come across as someone crying due to some percieved persecution.

It does, but I've not at all been "persecuted", or even legitamitly disciplined by the staff of this game in any way.

If you would prefer a more manly analogy, your post sounded like a football player telling the ref he needs glasses after a bad call.

Indeed.

As for what kind of person I am, I have been around this game and forum for years and have a very low post count. I don't make comments on many things, but you struck a nerve.

I don't see how, really. You haven't really said much.

No clarification needed. You hate the Players' Department, but their corruption and favoritism (according to you) would be tolerable if they admitted that's how they operated.

If it was perfectly clear to you, and you understood what I was saying and asking for, why did you accuse me of complaining and not being clear about what I was asking for? That makes no sense at all.

If someone says to me "You're an a-hole, admit it", and I say "Okay, I admit I'm an a-hole", that person is really going to respond by saying "Okay, at least you admitted you're an a-hole, that's much more tolerable."? That's kind of what it sounds like you're saying.

You're comparing two things that cannot be compared. Is the person accusing you your friend? Is he looking for a fight? Were it your friend, he'd probably would say that (or act to that affect.) Were it someone trying to provoke you, probably not. There's all different.

And I'm not talking about people calling each other names, I'm talking about the PD denying the obvious.

Besides, I'd like to see that. Honesty in corruption.

I aswell. That's exactly what I brought up.

[Nixit]

Schme, I don't think many people deny that it's possible, but just because something is possible, doesn't mean it automatically happens.

[Schme]

I know that, Nixit. I mentioned that, in fact.

But I cannot prove it is happening, and everyone well knows that. If anyone can prove it is happening, it would be people within the players department.

[cantrlady]

I haven't seen any real details listed here but if you have those in hand, please e-mail the Game Administration Council - they would be concerned with any PD or any other staff abusing their authority.

[KVZ]

I'm in PD, and all my chars avoid trade with each other, passing notes and wipstering to each other even if they have very good RP reasons for do that. This is CR, and it's possible to play with that, and I think that all PD members and all other players must respect this rule.

[Schme]

That's what I mean.

"They'd be concerned with any PD" and I cannot remember your exact words but something to that affect.

If anyone could uncover corruption and abuse, it would be you. Do you think that it would be difficult for people to further abuse their posistion to cover up the abuse? Not likely.

But you're missing the point here, though. I am not (although perhaps other might be) calling for any sort of crackdown or inquiry into any abuse and cheating. I just find it anyoing that it's existence is consistently and rediculously denied, as you're doing now.

[Sunni Daez]

There is dishonesty and corruption every where...not just in Cantr Staff...(not that I am saying there is any..I don't know) What I do know, is of 1 staff member who abused the PD privledges and was banned from the PD because of it...So these things are watched..and tended to.

I am sure that there is even more dishonesty in players, making arrangements OOCly... And to anyone who throws stones at the PD..or anyone for that matter, best be sure thier own life is free of dishonesty and corruption.... Remember...He who throws the first stone.....

[wichita]

You've found corruption in human behavior. Welcome to life. Grow up and stay a while.

[KVZ]

Well... And what I did? I overused some of my PD previlages, to show that there are OOC cliques in Polish Zone, and now I'm sure thet there are, and we have proves, but I just lost some of my PD previlages while doing that. Unfair.

[WojD]

IM cliques really exists. I also fight with cliques and I see that this is real problem. Nobody - even or maybe especially staff memebers - isn't proof for such temptations to make game easier, own location better - and whole game 'free of CRB' using CRB methods...

KeVes - you make really big CRB - perhaps with good intentions... You must pay for this sin - but why whole Polish Zone must pay too? Now we have ONE stuff member, marol, who must work for few hundreds players and few thousands chars... One man cannot be 100% objective and this make situation here very dificult. Polish Zone need or new Staff members or - better solution - some trust to KeVes... Give him full rights back and this help clear situation in game.

[Schme]

You've found corruption in human behavior. Welcome to life. Grow up and stay a while.

Welcome to the Germany. I'm from the National Socialist party. We're in charge now. No, don't try to do anything about it, just stick around until we decide to kill you. Remember, adults never, ever do ANYTHING to change things that are clearly wrong. It's part of being an adult.

Welcome to the Barrio. Me and my crew are in charge here. Cross us and we'll fuc.k you up. No, no don't bother trying to change anything. That would be childish. Just let us do our thing. Oh, and by the way, don't let your daughter out after dark. Just some friendly advice from you to me. Trust me.

Come on, Wichita, you're just being silly. Make up a demeaning saying. Oh, how very clever. Anyone can do that, man. Watch.

Guess what? You've found opposition to corruption, specifically the corruption of you and you're friends, in human behaviour. Welcome to the world. Why don't you grow up and stay awhile?


Jesus, you don't have to be all mean about it.





Now, all the other staff members should follow Witchita's very good example, and leave their state of denial. Good work, Wichita. Me and all of my millions of followers salute you.




I'd imagine that Player teams would be a much bigger problem, actually. But I've never encountered any, and so I can't say, although, as I mentioned, I believe they probably are. But I was just talking about the player's departement.

[EchoMan]

Now, all the other staff members should follow Witchita's very good example, and leave their state of denial. Good work, Wichita. Me and all of my millions of followers salute you.

So, if a staff person haven't seen any cheating and he/she says so, it's denial. Great options you give them. Almost the same way you complained that you had to prove things to the PD.

I suggest you leave the sarcasm behind and try to involve yourself in a constructive dialogue. Not just you Schme, but feel free to start.

[KVZ]

IM cliques really exists. I also fight with cliques and I see that this is real problem. Nobody - even or maybe especially staff memebers - isn't proof for such temptations to make game easier, own location better - and whole game 'free of CRB' using CRB methods...

This is fight against windmails. No chances for win. How is difference for CR is if someone make CRB on his own and get caught, and if his clique will make CRB using IM and they will not be caught? Only one difference is that CR can be abused in 2'nd way in much more negetive way for game balance. It's realy hard to prove something if you can't access for what people talking on IM.

KeVes - you make really big CRB - perhaps with good intentions... You must pay for this sin - but why whole Polish Zone must pay too?

It's rule one for all, all for one. I did wrong on purpose, so all Polish Players must be punished for their sins too. And if this was really big CRB, then what you can call that what cliques did after that? MEGA HUGE CRB.

Now we have ONE stuff member, marol, who must work for few hundreds players and few thousands chars... One man cannot be 100% objective and this make situation here very dificult.

If one man can't be 100% objective, then two guys can be even worse, because they can be not obiective, and each of them on other side, and they can argue.

Polish Zone need or new Staff members or - better solution - some trust to KeVes... Give him full rights back and this help clear situation in game.

I even don't ask for that. Even if I'm sure that I will don't do this again. I don't need such trust, and even if I could help, others can do that too. If they don't trust me after trust I will not ask for their trust again. I lost interest in plaing Cantr, and in staff too while I was noticed such abuses. I can delete my accont in any sec if my dice would turn on bad side. Very high risk. Maybe even today, after you know what. If others lost interest for some of those reasons too, I can lost my interest too. You know what I'm talking about.