New Orleans

[kinvoya]

Well, somebody managed to use a thread about a hurricane and sympathy toward those who were affected by it to bash the country where it occurred. I don't appreciate mindless country bashing whether it is of the USA, Turkey, Britain or whereever.

In my opinion country or nationality bashing is no different from any other kind of generalized hatred. There is nothing you can say about America as a whole which is true.

You can criticise the current government, if you choose. At least that might have some basis in fact rather than vague and pointless hatred directed toward a huge and diverse group of mostly decent people who happen to live in a particular area under a certain government over which we actually have relatively little control. Especially this particular group in power who, IMO, illegally manipulated the vote to steal the presidency.

If they are the ones you are trying to criticize then you should be specific.

[Cookie]

Mindless? Thousands of people have died because your goverment, who YOU (America) (and don't give me crap about vote fixing, thats conspiracy i.e. rubbish) voted in couldn't care less about the people of New Orleans.

Want to be proud, be proud. But as I said, as far as I can see there aint nothing to be proud of.

I'd die a thousand deaths before i was put in the same category as people who suopport the American government. A governent which instead of sending a good rescue responce to thousands dieing, sent law enforcers to kill a thousand more. I'm stunned at how your country has dealt with this, the worlds only "superpower."

[nitefyre]

I didn't vote for George Bush. Collective hatred (based on nationality, race, origin, etc) is a due aspect of putting the world in the state it is in today.

Quite frankly, it's uncalled for.

Edit: Though I could understand why, if he and Cookie were in a bid for votes, the former would win more votes.

[Cookie]

Well get used to it, because you are becoming the most hated country in the world.



And for the record...

Well, somebody managed to use a thread about a hurricane and sympathy toward those who were affected by it to bash the country where it occurred. I don't appreciate mindless country bashing whether it is of the USA, Turkey, Britain or whereever.

...don't know whay your so suprised I managed to do that. Thought it was rather easy myself. Considering those your giving sympathy for wouldn't have needed it if it wasnt for your friken government.

[Cookie]

[kinvoya]

Hate mongering against any group is unacceptable on these forums, in my opinon. I am going to ask for a CD decision in Moderation Requests.

(CD Edit: Cookie... let's not have any country bashing on this forum. If you are upsetting people, give it a rest. They don't need to hear it, especially on this thread. I'll leave all the posts here, but let's lay off ok? Surly)

[Cookie]

Ok. ..fair doos I suppose.

[Black Canyon]

I found this quote that I thought it appropriate.

"But the greatest menace to our civilization today is the conflict between giant organized systems of self-righteousness -- each system only too delighted to find that the other is wicked -- each only too glad that the sins give it the pretext for still deeper hatred and animosity."

Herbert Butterfield



I guess the same could apply on a smaller scale as well.

[Schme]

I think we both know who's talking crap here don't we. The person who managed to bring Bristols West Indian Gang Culture into a subject about a Huricane.

Man, if you don't know what I am talking about (Which I really think you do.) by that, then you can't be trying very hard.

I suppose you don't really get out much, but in case you haven't noticed, street gangs are problems.

What problems were you talking about? That you don't like them? I'm afraid that for them, that really isn't a problem.

I'm not talking about you thinking the poor are a problem. I was just putting out any old problem.

And by the way, Jamaicans aren't west Indian, I'm afraid.

(CD Edit: Cookie... let's not have any country bashing on this forum. If you are upsetting people, give it a rest. They don't need to hear it, especially on this thread. I'll leave all the posts here, but let's lay off ok? Surly)

Let's not do that! If we can't do it here, in this forum, then where can we do it (on this website, that is.)?

Do we really need the censorship? Nobody censored the article about how Canadians should damn well be grateful that America doesn't attack them, and that was alot more vile than this.

Well get used to it, because you are becoming the most hated country in the world.

Britain isn't all that high on the popularity charts at the moment either, my friend, espicially seeing as your Prime Minister's a lap dog to the yanks.

...don't know whay your so suprised I managed to do that. Thought it was rather easy myself. Considering those your giving sympathy for wouldn't have needed it if it wasnt for your friken government.

The American government cannot cause hurricanes at will, despite it's immense power. I'm afraid, at present, all they have down is mind control. Oh, I've said too much......

But it's been written before in this forum, about the troops being away and everything.

If you just read the first pages, we've talked about it. You missed the boat, I guess. Not that I blame you, it is right near the start, if I remember correctly.

To censor him wouldn't be all that great, if you ask me. If you can't stand up to your critics who aren't being forced to shut up, that will make it look like they've won.

Could we at least start another thread about it?

(Well, not that I want to, but if we ever felt the need, I mean. General question.)

[Cookie]

And by the way, Jamaicans aren't west Indian, I'm afraid.

Oh they aren't? might want to look that one up! Really i think you do before you make sly comments like that.

The West indies is another name for the Caribean, yeh. And jamiaca is in the Caribean.

He shoots, he scores! COOKIE WINS!
But no really, tell that to the West indain cricket team.

[Nixit]

For the record I am proud to be an American.


And, you surely can't be bashing all of America, because even if you believe the vote fixing is phony, only a bit more than half of our country voted for him. I could see maybe bashing those people... but really now Cookie, don't be a Monster.

[Schme]

And by the way, Jamaicans aren't west Indian, I'm afraid.

Oh they aren't? might want to look that one up! Really i think you do before you make sly comments like that.

The West indies is another name for the Caribean, yeh. And jamiaca is in the Caribean.

Bravo! You fooled a foreigner with an obscure term that only Englishmen know! Let's all make a big deal out of it as though you've proved your point through your being petty.

Granted, I didn't know. But it's not really that big a deal. You could be a bit more polite, my friend.

Here, we call it the carribean, and west India stands for the west of India(Like Bombay.).

Now I we know.

[west]

Was it the common american who closed down all transport and left the tourists and people of poverty stranded waiting for a huricane?

Thers a place called carlisle down the road from me, they were flooded in January. A flood the did not expect (unlike yours) half of the Northumbrian RAF got sent over there almost instantaneously. And your country takes three days to get a proper rescue service running.

Carlisle has a population just over 100,000. Tens of millions of people were affected by the hurricane in the American South. Three people died in the Carlisle floods, whereas the death toll for Katrina could be in the tens of thousands. While we're at it, Britain's a tiny place.

If your neighbor's house was on fire, would you get all cocky at him and say, "I blew out a match last year, and it takes a whole fire company to douse your house?"

Don't be an ass.

[XBL]

Can someone answer why law enforcers are trying to keep people away from leaving New Orleans, even tourists (which isn't good if they die, for the status of the US)? Police is shooting over the crowd to keep them from coming closer and the police have to arrange busses secretly to help some people. And even after a bus was leaving, people were shooting at the bus!

Read this in the newspaper this morning, it's a story about to people from a city near me who were on holiday in New Orleans.

It's a crazy world we live in...

Jochem

[kinvoya]

I don't quite understand what you are saying? "...keeping people away from leaving"? Do you mean they are right now or they were right after the hurricane or they were before the hurricane started? I think you mean that you think police are preventing people from leaving New Orleans now which isn't true. They are now trying to persuade the people who refuse to leave to go.

At one point they were preventing people from leaving the big arenas which had such horrible conditions because it was even more dangerous for the people to go out into the flooded areas. I did read about police stopping people from going back out into the flooded areas a few days ago. One man who wanted to leave that sports arena said a policeman took him up to an area where he could look out and it was all flood water, there was no place to go, so he agreed to stay.

Tens of thousand of miserable, desperate people were all but rioting trying to get onto a couple of dozen buses. People in the crowds were shooting at helicopters which were trying to deliver food and water. Managing huge, panicy, desperate crowds is probably the most difficult thing to do in the world. If some of them have guns and are shooting at you it gets about a thousand times harder.

My guess is that those tourists are probably talking about the first few days after the hurricane when there simply was no safe place for people to go to until enough transportation could reach them to take them out. The police who stopped them probably saved their lives.