conspiracy theories....

[west]

*having deftly dodged the needle, .west. with a twirl of his wrist plants it firmly in honvl's chest*

Not all of them. I bet our ephiroll has his hand in most of it too.

[Solfius]

All conspiracies can be traced back to the devious mind of Solfius.

Well, not strictly true, but I can certainly plan conspiracies. Just getting them from the drawing board is the problem, but I persevere

[Pirog]

In Sweden there has been memorial shows on the TV all weekend.
There we have one of the biggest conspiracies in the known history.

Who do you think did it?

It sure as hell wasn't a sole gunman anyway.
I'm pretty sure it was the CIA, but it could also have been the mafia...but they are pretty much the same thing.

How come you Americans doesn't demand that the thing was more properly investigated?

[rklenseth]

Well, probably because we would rather keep it a myth and a legend rather than know the cold hard truth.

I personally believe it was the CIA because Kennedy and those guys didn't get along and Kennedy had already cut a lot of their budget.

So-called Communist shoots JFK and then is shot by a CIA agent because they are afraid he will talk and they now have an agent who they know won't talk.

Don't see your mafia/CIA connection. Are you talking about the Russin Mafia in Russia or the Italian and Irish mafias in America?

But there are so many conspiracies about JFK that it would be almost impossible to find the truth among all the bullshit.

[Meh]

Back then they trusted the goverment.

When you say "you Americans", do we have any that were over the age of 10 anywhere on the day that occured near this forum?

[rklenseth]

Actually the latest conspiracy theory that I heard was that the assassin was actually recruited by the Soviet Union to assassinate JFK and that the US did everything they could to hide this because it feared that war would break out. Every American loved JFK so if they heard that the Soviet Union was directly involved that the US would be forced into war by its own people. Fearing that the assassin would talk, the top government officials allowed the CIA to kill him so as not only to avert attention elsewhere but to keep the assassin from talking and making the American people outraged which would lead to war. Many government officials knew that a war with between the two countries would be devastating and they feared that something like how WWI started would occur. So they covered it up.

The Soviet Union both feared and hated JFK. He stopped them from arming Cuba and was also a thorn in their side of making other areas communist (Vietnam). They also knew that JFK was a no bullshit kind of guy. You screwed with him, he was going to screw with you but do it a 100 times worse.

[new.vogue.nightmare]

THere's also lots of evidence pointing towards LBJ. The CIA also really didn't like him, because he had threatened to destroy them at one point.

[rklenseth]

There are also many links between Kennedy's assassination and Lincoln's. If you ask me, too many links and coincidences.

[Meh]

The assassination was a way to reset the game board for the "The Illusion of freewill vs. The Illusion of control" scenario. The Illusion of free will side of the board was having problems getting set up from the "The Illusion of higher order vs The Illusion of control" scenario that had concluded much earlier. Currently the board is being reset for the "The Illusion of higher order vs. The Illusion of free will".

What does all that mean?

The assassination was a classic "sacrifice of the king" as in chess. But doesn't losing the king end the game? In chess yes, but in these scenarios this is not the case. That would imply the peices playing against each other could ever win. When the ones who control the board, how many peices there are, and the movement of the peices without regard to winning but more in regard to seeing how things work out under different rules things stop making sense to someone only watching the peices move.

The assassination was to advance The Illusion of free will side by giving it a powerful martyr. The "sacrifice of the king" always speeds things up. It allowed civil rights to move forward, the moon landing schedule to be accelrated, and the points of contention between the two sides to become more entreched. In this scenario it was imprortant that the sides had distinct differences but be equally as strong.

"The Illusion of higher order vs The Illusion of control"? You would call that the Napolonic era to WWI. The manipulation to produce the scenarios has been going on for a very long time.

"The Illusion of higher order vs. The Illusion of free will"? What is being set up now. Religion vs. freedom which of course are both illusions. Many existing terms are beng resused as the Illusion of higher order was the first illusion to be widely implemented. Terms like "religion extermism" etc. A few new terms for the more mild end of the specturm like "Faith based schooling". Faith based schooling is not new the term is needed to have the peices more easily understand their movements without being aware of the level of manipulation that is and always has occured.

Do I belive all this?

No. I made it up.

Move along citizen. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[west]

JFK's dead.
Shoot, I've moved on.
Who really, really cares who shot him at this point?
I don't. Doesn't effect me.

[Pirog]

Goodwin>

When you say "you Americans", do we have any that were over the age of 10 anywhere on the day that occured near this forum?

Hehe, well no, I meant Americans in general.
I said "you Americans" as a way to point out the American people on this board.

rklenseth>

Don't see your mafia/CIA connection. Are you talking about the Russin Mafia in Russia or the Italian and Irish mafias in America?

The American mafia.
Robert Kennedy had many enemies in the mafia and one theory was that the JFK murder was revenge for his brother working against them.
With Jack Ruby allready involved in the plot it could be possible.

The CIA/mafia being pretty much the same was meant as just that.
CIA has their fingers in so much dirty business that they can be seen as a form of government supported maifa.

Actually the latest conspiracy theory that I heard was that the assassin was actually recruited by the Soviet Union to assassinate JFK and that the US did everything they could to hide this because it feared that war would break out.

That could be true...but I don't think your pride would let such a thing slide
And seeing how badly JFK was protected during his stay in Dallas much points to it being an American conspiracy I think...

In Sweden we had a similar political murder.
Prime Minister Olof Palme was gunned down in an open street and a lot of people suspect the Swedish Intelligence. (SÄPO).
He was very socialistic and amongst other things he visited Castro on Cuba, so perhaps it was the CIA that got to him too

More recently, would be Prime Minister Anna Lindh was cut down with a knife when she went shopping.
The suspected murderer is still in trial.
It was really sad, because up until that point the politicians in Sweden had always moved around freely with little guards. I hate to see that kind of open society vanish...I don't think you in other countries understand how big a change like that is.

[rklenseth]

Never heard of the American Mafia. That's a new one.

Anyways, I always shun the presidents for always needing their little entourage of guards. I don't think it is needed.

Personally, I don't see how pride could have been involved in this. JFK was shot and killed by an assassin who was later shot and killed by another man who was believed to be working for the CIA. As to why, I don't think anyone will ever know considering it has been so long and so much bullshit has covered it.

[Meh]

Never heard of the American Mafia.

As in the one that JFKs father or what it grandfather was involved in. The families welath was made off of running illegal alcohol during prohibition. This area was a distribution point for thier network. Boat loads (literally on boats) of Canadian alcohol would come in to this area.

[rklenseth]

Never heard of the American Mafia.

As in the one that JFKs father or what it grandfather was involved in. The families welath was made off of running illegal alcohol during prohibition. This area was a distribution point for thier network. Boat loads (literally on boats) of Canadian alcohol would come in to this area.

Considering Kennedy is Irish American then that would be the Irish Mafia not the American Mafia.

[Meh]

Never heard of the American Mafia.

As in the one that JFKs father or what it grandfather was involved in. The families welath was made off of running illegal alcohol during prohibition. This area was a distribution point for thier network. Boat loads (literally on boats) of Canadian alcohol would come in to this area.

Considering Kennedy is Irish American then that would be the Irish Mafia not the American Mafia.

Well but when speaking internationally it would be American Mafia. Specifically Irish American Mafia. And Although ethic groups did tend to form large groups I do not belive that ever ethic groups illegal operations were aligned. Just as the "Russian Mafia" is not one group. American Mafia just means American organized crime.