Evolution

[west]

carp, I just saw that movie, I just can't remember which one it is.

[rklenseth]

carp, I just saw that movie, I just can't remember which one it is.

I don't think you've seen it yet or otherwise you'd know which movie I was talking about.

[west]

Oh damn you. It's Serenity, and Book is saying it to Mal?

[rklenseth]

When did you see Serenity?

[west]

I didn't I just thought I had heard that before.

What other movie would you be talking about, though, RKL?

And Book saying it to Mal seems logical. I guessed.

[The Industriallist]

but somtimes i can be silly to. i mean.. thats the good thing about me. i can understand the complex things about some scientific method(evolution being somthing with no evedance and i don't know how sombody can beleve in anything with no evedance. the bible in fact.. has huge amounts of scientific and fossle evedence AND anthropolagy evedance to prove anything EVEN fossle evedance to point to a giant flood.. unsted of a comit hitting the earth. pleas make another topic if you want to say somthing about this)

Pie returned to the subject...

I don't suppose you'd consider the fossil record showing steps of evolution and differentiation (or what can be interpreted as such) to be evidence that life forms evolve? Or the demonstration that you can have single celled life forms evolve to resist a toxin, which also has been seen in insects, and I believe in plants?

How about the logic of why lack of evolution is impossible. (some assumptions required, of course...)
So, assumptions. Genes have an impact on reproductive fitness, depending on the environment. Genetic diversity exists within species (optional: and is produced by mutations).
So, the individuals carrying favorable genes will have higher representation among those who successfully reproduce than those with less favorable genes. Consequently, the next generation will, in general, have genetics that are more favorable for their current environment.

Speciation doesn't have a tidy arguement like that as far as I know...but I can't imagine where else you think new species come from. Just dropped from the sky by 'god'? Or do you think no new species have ever appeared? I think I can take that apart pretty easily...

And...what does the flood vs. asteroid/comet argement have to do with evolution? Though I'm a bit puzzled by the idea that you have 'evidence' that the entire world give or take a few mountain tops was covered with water at any point after the development of mammals, as well.

[Pie]

alright(I LOVE DEBAITS! even if i am rong.. i will ceep on dibating untill i get board) well.. let me ask you this. if you think that the dinosours "ruled" the earth and then developed eventually into humans.. HOW ARE THERE HUMAN FOSSLES WITH THE DINOSOUR ONES!?!?!?!?

hav you ever herd of chiken pox? once you have it.. you never get it BECOUS YOUR IMMUN SISTM ADAPTS. as in.. now it knows how to fight the chiken pox becous it has alredy had it.

lak of evolution is compleatly possible. if everything in the bible happend,(lets just leav geneses out of everything at the moment)it would be compleatly possible. the flood is posibel.. i don't think i need to explain it.. but it could happen that a large amount of water(a "vapor canopy" was in the atmosfere and created an increas in beometric pressure. if it was a certain amount ov presure it would be EXELENT for life. and i quote

Dr. Edgar End(wered name)at the University of wisconsin has domonstrated that inhaling hyperbaric oxygen, administerd in a pressure chamber, will restore memory, increas energy and add zest to older men and women.

so all of that whater could have come from the sky.. and i quote

all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heven were opend(Genese 7:11).

so the other part of the water could have come from the ground. and that is compleatly posible too. have you hered that there is a body of whater under nebraska, the largest in the world. It could be possible that the "fountains of the great deep" came out of all of the volcanos and undersea springs to rais the level of whater to some of the mountains.

and of cours.. you can't ignore the amount of storys indicating that a flood did happen in so many relegions(over 200). so you have to say that a "great flood" HAD to happen at some time. fish fossles have been found at the top of high mountains. and quoting a comertial i once saw
"numbers like these can't be ignored"

[trage]

HOW ARE THERE HUMAN FOSSLES WITH THE DINOSOUR ONES!?!?!?!?

Hmmm? There aren't as far as I know, I was lead to believe that they were never found together, or everything I have been taught in school is a bunch of lies. Humans and Dinonsaurs lived in different era, Humans in the Cenozoic era, and Dinosaurs in the Mesozoic era.

Can I please be given a link to this so I can see what you mean, because I have never heard of this before.

[Pie]

Actually, there suposedly has been some archeological evidence found of humans being around at the same time as at least some dinosaurs.

Heck, if you believe in the Loch Ness monster there still -are- dinosaurs around. (Or if you've ever seen an alligator...)

How'd we get on this topic anyway?

(And hey look, Pie can spell! Told you.)

[trage]

Actually, there suposedly has been some archeological evidence found of humans being around at the same time as at least some dinosaurs.

Heck, if you believe in the Loch Ness monster there still -are- dinosaurs around. (Or if you've ever seen an alligator...)

How'd we get on this topic anyway?

(And hey look, Pie can spell! Told you.)

I asked for a link, not a quote from another person who also doesn't have a link.

[Pie]

why don't you ask him?better yet.. ile ask him. LUMAN..GIVE US A LINK!

[trage]

Because I asked you, because I saw your post, not Lumin's.

[Pie]

ok.. wile I'm working to find it.. lets lisn to War by Edwin Starr.

WAR! HUH! WAT IS IT GOOD FOR! Absolutly.. NOTHIN!

[The Industriallist]

alright(I LOVE DEBAITS! even if i am rong.. i will ceep on dibating untill i get board)

At least that we agree on...

well.. let me ask you this. if you think that the dinosours "ruled" the earth and then developed eventually into humans.. HOW ARE THERE HUMAN FOSSLES WITH THE DINOSOUR ONES!?!?!?!?

Well, there weren't...unless the rock had been rearranged, which does happen some times. Now, if they were found together, and dated the same, by a reliable source, that would be interesting, but I've never heard of such a find.

Now to the really serious absurdity of this statement...I don't think dinosaurs evolved into humans, nor does any other reasonably informed person I know of. Small rodentlike mammals that lived at the same time as the dinosaurs are more likely ancestors.

hav you ever herd of chiken pox? once you have it.. you never get it BECOUS YOUR IMMUN SISTM ADAPTS. as in.. now it knows how to fight the chiken pox becous it has alredy had it.

But that is not inherited. You may be immune to chicken pox, but your children (*shudder*) will not be until they have their own encounter with it.

Insect populations develop immunity to poisons genetically, so that after a several (quick) generations every newly hatched individual is immune to the poison. Very different picture there.

lak of evolution is compleatly possible.

Please explain how early fossil strata contain no trace of pollen anywhere, but after a certain point in prehistory, pollen is plentiful. My explanation is that that was the point at which flowering plants developed and became extremely successful. If they were there before, where was the pollen?

and of cours.. you can't ignore the amount of storys indicating that a flood did happen in so many relegions. so you have to say that a "great flood" HAD to happen at some time. fish fossles have been found at the top of high mountains. and quoting a comertial i once saw
"numbers like these can't be ignored"

There may have been a major rise in sea levels, though I can't see how you could have them rise to anywhere near biblical claims. So, all the flood stories might indeed have a common root. Slightly interesting.

Although I would say that your arguement is nonsensical, since by similar logic...
-many landmarks were formed from divine body parts.
-At least one gender of humans was created directly from soil or similar material.
-There are a substantial number of gods (which I don't think you like too much, do you?)

And, since mountains are formed by rock being forced up (look up some basic geology for details), and fish have been around for a long time even in geological terms, fish fossils being on rocks that eventually became mountain tops is only natural.

If this has any implication at all relating to evolution, however, I must have missed it.

[Pie]

i am doing somthing new.. trying to prove creation is POSIBLE, and the story line is PLAUSIBLE. witch it is.. we can say that noa just "happend" to be in a boat when the flood happend witch would have had to happen. and also..

fossilization requiers a SUDDEN BURIAL. coal seams, oil fields and natural gas deposits are specific examples of fossil fuels.

so these fish had to have a sudden burial.. and no.. not like the ones that they did on your grandpa.

P.S i am trying to start the debate on the earlyist part of the bible that isn't Soo specific that it would be imposible to explain, or cannot be explained at all(the creation of the univers)