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Postby Tangential » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:24 pm

And now.. onto more recent news.

Day 1
CantrFreak was targeted after repeatedly stating his “services”
I switched CF with Zanthos and Zanthos died, being revealed as the roleblocker.
Claims: Sparkle investigated Bowser. Frenchfisher investigated Toon.

Night 2
Bowser pins CF as either the medic or man switcher. CF denies being the man switcher, which makes him the medic. He votes me since I was the one who wanted Zanthos gone. He then asks the detective to step up and guide his vote. Frenchfisher continues to vote for Toon. Sparkle keeps pressing Bowser to state who he is and suggests he “reeks” of being a townie. Notice that by this time, Sparkle has turned cold towards Bowser. Also note that when we start grouping Bowser, Toon, and Frenchfisher together, they are scrambling, especially Bowser. They have become much more active in trying to deflect suspicion.

I stated that since Frenchfisher was gunning for Toon, he had to be the revolutionary. I then stated that out of the three remaining unaccounted for people – Bowser, mikki, and Sparkle – one of them had to be the looter. I reasoned that Bowser seemed more likely to be the looter and that today’s lynching is crucial to lynch the looter. Who does he vote? He votes Frenchfisher. That just confirms he’s trying to protect his buddy, Toon, and put the blame on Frenchfisher. Frenchfisher doesn’t seem to mind this. He then starts to scramble up stories that he doesn’t think through carefully. It’s pretty obvious these three trying to protect each other. They are frantic because they know they are figured out.
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Postby toon » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:50 pm

You think I'm trying to protect someone? I don't really care about bowser or Frenchfisher. I am not voting yet because I have no idea who I should vote for, If I said I vvote for bowser since you think he's suspicious, you would ust turn around and say I'm suspicous for voting for someone just because you said they might be bad, if I voted for Frenchfisher, you'd say I'd, have to be the Paladin because you think frenchfisher is the revolutionary. If I voted for anyone you'd say I was trying to get the blam off of me. Seems like you've come up with all the ways in the world to put the blame on me.
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Postby frenchfisher » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:58 pm

One last chance at rationality, Tang, before you kill us all.

Let's kill toon.

You and I don't see eye to eye, apparently. Your evidence collection has been highly predicated on me, Bowser, and toon being townies while Sparkle and mikki are innocent members of the Mafia (or else you'd make more about this: "[CF] then asks the detective to step up and guide his vote. Frenchfisher continues to vote for Toon."). But, I don't think you are quite as sure as you'd like to believe. There's still doubt. One thing we agree about is this: toon is evil. In some way or another, toon is not a normal member of the Mafia.

Say you was right, and I was the Revolutionary, and we decided to kill toon. Then, when toon is killed, I would become paladin, but you'd still have superiority: a score of 5 to 2, mob members winning. No doubt, if we was townies, we would kill one of you, so then the score would be 4-2, still to your advantage, especially because (if you was right, and you isn't) you'd know exactly who the new Paladin is.

But say you was wrong (and you is), toon is the Revolutionary, and we kill him off. Then, the score is still 4 to 2 after the day tomorrow, mob members winning. Sure, mikki still has the chance to steal someone's body, but it's better than the alternative, which is...

...say you was wrong, toon is the revolutionary, and you still kill Bowser off. Then the score is 4 to 3 just going into the day. If Sparkle kills someone off (like I bet she would), the score would become 3-3 during that day. And you know what that means: the townies win. ((Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the understanding that if the revolutionary, looter, and paladin equal the number of Mob members, then the looter and paladin win.)) Even if by some miracle they didn't, they'd still have almost-crushing numerical superiority.

So, if you is right, and Bowser is killed off, well, that's a pretty sweet deal. If you is right and toon is killed off, that's still alright. If you is wrong and toon is killed, that's still alright. But if you is wrong and Bowser is killed, it's pretty likely that the townies win.

Now, it's up to you. But, if you was so clever, and we killed toon, you could probably think of some "dastardly plan" that would help solve who's who for you using your swapping powers tonight. I don't know what it would be, but maybe somethin' about swappin' some people and asking us what the verdict was on some random townie that we agreed to investigate this night.

Look, there is one thing we all agree on, every single one of us here: toon is a townie of some flavor. Now, I'd rather kill off the looter, personally speakin', which is why I'm keepin' my vote right on mikki for now. But I think we can all agree, that killin' someone we know is bad is better than killin' someone who might be a question mark for you.
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Postby Tangential » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:16 pm

There are 3 evils and 5 good.

Toon is a known evil.

Frenchfisher, Bowser, Sparkle, and mikki are question marks.

I will not compromise with you, Frenchfisher. I'd rather get rid of a question mark. That will show who is alligned with who, in the end.

If we lynch a good person today, then by the end of the night, we will have 3 evils and 4 good. The next day we may have 3 evils and 3 good or even 2 evils and 4 good depending if we play our cards right at night. Then the following night, after we see who is alligned with who, it'll be straight out from there. Townies will not necessarily win.

No one will sway me from voting Bowser.
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Postby Dogonabun » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:36 pm

The sun begins to rise..
Bowser: (1) Sparkle (2) Tangential (3) Trexdino (4) Cantrfreak (5) Trexdino (8) Mikki
Mikki: (6) Frenchfisher
Sparkle: (7) Bowser

Voting ends in 24 hours, or until all votes are locked in place!
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Postby Bowser » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:38 pm

Hey Tang, here is how much I want to help guide you in the right direction

unvote Frenchfisher

vote Bowzer - Lock the vote

If someone is supposed to die tonight, I would be the best possible choice.
And now my friends, I am taking a vow of silence.

*holds his breath*
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Postby toon » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:44 pm

Tangenial, also, Sparkle has been voting for Bowser most of the time now. How do we know that Sparkle isn't the revolutionary and that Bowser isn't the Paladin?Frechfisher could be the looter, and I could have been keeping quiet about what I am like you said. Did you ever stop to think about that?
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Postby frenchfisher » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:44 pm

Three goods and three evils means that evils win, Tang. ((Unless we're playing by different rules than I'm used to :P))
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Postby Tangential » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:53 pm

Bowser, your vote wasn't on Frenchfisher before. It was on Sparkle.

Toon, dammit. It's TanGENTIAL. Okay. let's play off that. if sparkle is the revolutionary, and Bowser is the Paladin, and Frenchfisher is the looter, then why aren't you voting Frenchfisher? It doesn't matter what you say, Toon. You'll either say you're the detective or the gravedigger. There's been two claims on detective.. and Bowser seems to claim gravedigger by default, will you claim gravedigger too? *he raises a brow*

Frenchfisher, 3 goods and 3 evils does mean evil win. *he shrugs* But I was just saying that.. if we did play our cards right, it could be 2 evils and 4 goods.
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Postby toon » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:58 pm

I havn't voted because I'm not even sure of my theory, for all I know you could have called a role and someone else kept quiet about it because you seem to be more influential. I don't know about any of yall. I'm just saying anything that COULD happen like everyone else is doing.
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Postby frenchfisher » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:07 pm

*he throws his hands up* Fine, fine. Enjoy your time playing God. I'm just sayin' that, if we was to kill toon, we would absolutely have 4-2 at the beginning of tomorrow night, but, if we kill Bowser, we will have either 4-2 or 3-3 (and it will be 3-3) at the beginning of tomorrow night. So, if we go one way, we'll know we'll survive, and you'll be able to find somethin' that proves my perspective is correct (or disproves it, if I was lying). But, if we go another way, we'll either prove that Bowsa 'n I was evil or we'll lose. You're the one choosin' to play dice with our lives, not me.
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Postby Sparkle » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:07 pm

I know Bowser is a townie. That will leave 2 evil (townies) and 4 good (mafia). Then if Tang doesn't stop the kill it will be 2 evil and 3 good. We know who the other evils are so you will be lynched tomorrow and since Tang knows who's evil we may luck out and get one of you bastards to kill the other and ensure our win for sure.

As for you toon. That is good logic, but lets say your theory is correct. Then explain to me why Frenchfisher voted for me? You think he would want to kill one of his own?

I am locking my vote for Bowser.
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Postby trexdino » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:10 pm

Sunrise Vote on Bowser
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Postby toon » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:10 pm

That would be a way to throw everyone off. Make them think that you arn't on the same team. Why not make it look like you two don't like eachother?
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Postby frenchfisher » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:13 pm

Is my math wrong or somethin'? I count 8 people still alive: the looter, the paladin, the revolutionary, the detective (yours truly), the medic, the man switcher, the gravedigger, and the goon.

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