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Postby Joshuamonkey » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:09 am

And if they're as evil as you say, then how come several towns are allied with them and that they even send help often if they need it. xD And the people that usually disrespect them are part of an anti-MacGregor army or something so they have no choice but to kill them. xD


Contradiction! Why do you think there are so many against the Macgregors? Trust me, there aren't usually that many people against a group unless there really is something wrong with them. It seems like the Macgregors never think for a second that people who criticize them are right, or that they really are too violent. They'll call themselves violent as if they're proud of it, but then say they aren't when they're accused of it, followed by them killing the person talking to them.
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Postby Tangential » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:09 am

Joshuamonkey wrote: I know what it's like to be insulted. The idea of killing someone just for insult or disrespect is unimaginable. How could someone think of themselves so highly and value life so little that they would do something like that?


Not every character values life like you. If everyone were like your characters, there'd be very very little conflict in Cantr. And then Cantr would be boring.

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Postby CantrFreak » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:33 am

But consider this; would you like to be the ally or the enemy of a group of murderers? That's why everyone acts their friend.


Not really sure about this one, never had a character in the Krif-Djorf-Seatown region that wasn't a MacGregor.

And yes, I probably am a suck-up. :D I'm probably biased (though in arguements I try not to be though it seems like I am because I agree with many of thier actions even though my MacGregor character questions them slightly).

Okay then, so you ask them to leave, and when they do so, you kill them? And having the ability to kill someone does not give the right to kill someone. I've led towns and organizations and still do. I know what it's like to be insulted. The idea of killing someone just for insult or disrespect is unimaginable. How could someone think of themselves so highly and value life so little that they would do something like that?


No, it's more like... (read from up to bottom)

*Bob insults them.*
"Leave, blah blah blah." - MacGregor
"Well, you stink anyway!" - Bob"
*Bob leaves*
"He disrespects us after we banish them for disrespecting?" - MacGregor
*MacGregors chase him down.*

They don't simply kill just cause they can. And MacGregors do value lives, just not the lives of thier enemies. They're not murderous fiends. They just don't take a lot to get fired up. And even then, there have been many that have done a lot worse than insult the Clan and still live. The reason they do that is because they want to hold to tradition.

Incorrect is all I can say about that.

During Josh's time, MacGregors weren't really violent... I'm talking about recent events. If they're threatening the lives of the MacGregors, they just go ahead and kill them. If they're doing whatever else, they're usually told to leave, put in jail for a while, or whatever. And then when they're spared from death they usually start getting rude about it and the MacGregors get annoyed and kills them.

Contradiction! Why do you think there are so many against the Macgregors? Trust me, there aren't usually that many people against a group unless there really is something wrong with them. It seems like the Macgregors never think for a second that people who criticize them are right, or that they really are too violent. They'll call themselves violent as if they're proud of it, but then say they aren't when they're accused of it, followed by them killing the person talking to them.


Of course I know why so many people are against them. It's cause of they kill off most of the people they spare that push them over the limit. And they are proud of being violent. That's why they call themselves warriors. And they really haven't been questioned by an actual person that wasn't a thief or some criminal (and by criminal, I'm excluding the insult thing) so I'm not sure how they'll react if questioned by a friend. Mines would take that into regard, though I'm not sure how the rest of teh Clan would. And they don't kill just because they're called violent... Nick himself admits that he is and many of them would. If they're called crooks or whatever, they'll probably imprison or maybe kill the guy.

Not every character values life like you. If everyone were like your characters, there'd be very very little conflict in Cantr. And then Cantr would be boring.

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And I agree with you.

And one more thing, there is no such thing as good, evil, justice in this world. It's all pretty much an illusion. Think of how morals were back centuries ago. I'm sure the MacGregor attitude would fit nicely in some places. Imagine how easily a world could be with murder an accepted practice (and it used to be that way to some extent).
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Postby Joshuamonkey » Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:15 pm

That doesn't mean those people in the past were good. This thread is about "characters that irritate yours."

*Bob insults them.*
"Leave, blah blah blah." - MacGregor
"Well, you stink anyway!" - Bob"
*Bob leaves*
"He disrespects us after we banish them for disrespecting?" - MacGregor
*MacGregors chase him down.*


The *MacGregors chase him down.* part doesn't make sense there.
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Postby DylPickle » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:52 pm

Joshua, just to try to put an end to the discussion....
What's primarily being said here is that it simply doesn't have to make sense to us players. Most of us here are probably pretty moral people in real life, but there is a tendency for players to see cantr only through their own eyes, and not the eyes of their characters. So really, though most of us would probably see the MacGregor's as a bad bunch of folks if they were to pop up in real life modern society, it doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't exist in the game. From the perspective of ANY player, they should look at the MacGregor's and think "Hey, here's a group in the game that is presenting a different ideology in the game, creating some variety, stirring up trouble, and presenting a potential antagonist to the peaceful norm". It's good for the game of cantr. That's really all that it comes down to.


But hey, I'm going to try to feel important *whoop'dee-yay!* and get this thing back on topic!

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Postby CantrFreak » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:45 pm

DylPickle wrote: Most of us here are probably pretty moral people in real life, but there is a tendency for players to see cantr only through their own eyes, and not the eyes of their characters..


If that was a remark about me, my views usually differ from my characters views. (though my MacGergor character was my first character and is most like me...)

Anyway... it seems my characters don't have anybody that really irritates them. Those that they don't like they usually are bitter enemies... -_-
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Postby Dudel » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:11 am

I'm having a slight proplem right now with one of my chars. It seems like someone in town is trying to OOCly convince me that I should not play my char like how I am playing.Its actually starting to irritate.

My char however has no problem with anyone but I, as a player, am starting to want to ignore the other char.
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Postby SekoETC » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:18 am

You should report it to PD. I don't think anyone has a legit reason to tell someone to rp their character in a different way unless it's about sex.
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Postby mikki » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:19 am

I have that problem with one of my chars.. She asked a question regarding how he knew how to speak this strange language, then I was told that I shouldn't play my char like that.. And because the player of the other char was upset with what my char said, I had to deal with his ooc comments, and his char has retained that attitude.. Like they were together, and now he has nothing to do with her and the char didn't do anything wrong.. grrrr..
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Postby Dudel » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:50 am

Nothing was actually said OOC it seems like the player is really trying to convince me the other player not to play my char like that.


Nothing actually like

Blah blah says: *OOC: You shouldn't rp like that*


more like

Blah Blah says: You will not find or accomplish what you are trying to.

Even tho he/she is very saportive other wise to everyone else. It seems very very OOC! Like the player doesn't even like what my char is saying.
Understand?

I ignore all actuall OOC comments like they were not even there.
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Postby Cdls » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:56 am

Is it possible that their character (the one that is saying this to yours) actually believes that yours will not accomplish said goals? Honestly, I think it would provide a drive for your char to prove them wrong :)
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Postby mikki » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:57 am

I tried to ignore but got to the point that it really irritated me.. I had to tell this char to stop the ooc comments.. that there was no reason for it.. crazyness I tell you..
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Postby Cdls » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:03 am

Yeah, the only ones that have ANY authority in telling you how you may play your character are the ones in the proper staff positions. I think players will tell you to change your character because they see a challenge in that, something that will upset their precious balance. I like when something like that happens, it presents a challenge, a reason to log in and check your characters constantly.
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Postby mikki » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:05 am

Well see I don't mind a challenge, but when the player behind the char is mad and uses his char to get back at me, well that is just plain annoying as well you get the idea.. I mean all the ooc talk is crazy..
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Postby Cdls » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:08 am

I meant the one saying that you should change your char needs to see it as being a challenge and play is as one instead of whining. OOC comments made for stupid reasons really bother me as well, I can see using them if there is a definite need to, but yeah...

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