Religion

[KVZ]

Fellas, a proof that god exists doesn't.

I can agree with that. There also proofs that religion is just tool of sociotechnique... For those who can belive in such things, they can be very easy manipulated by that...

I am Atheist. For people with ethics there is a good quote, why it is wise to be Atheist:

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen Roberts

[Stan]

I'm not offended by what you said. However, I want you to see the hypocrisy of your words.

Jack and King, you both stated that you are sure my experiences are either disingenuine or a figment of my imagination. My point is you cannot begin to know the truth of that.

Believe what you want, but your opinions on someone else experience should be left alone. Not because they are sacred, but because you commenting on them exposes you as preconditioned to deny God does exist and interacts with people.

Through my life I have faced obstacle after obstacle. I have been told I'm wrong about this or that. I NEVER listen to naysayers, never. When I know something is right and the path is in front of me, I take it everytime.

For anyone out there that has been told you can't do something, or that you're wrong about something that you know is right deep inside, I say, "GO FOR IT". Be a risk taker. Take a big swing at life. Don't worry about being wrong.

I believe in God and His promises outlined in the Bible. These promises give me the confidence to fail, because God will pick me back up. He promised it. As for supposed contradictions in the Bible, I can't speak for those. As for the promises I've personally read, they consistently come true.

Since, the day I believed and out confidence in the Bible, my life has turned into an exciting and awesome adventure! I can tell you stories that would blow your mind. Mine is a story that I only dreamed about as a child. And it has all come true since the day I believed. When life does get rough, I'll have hope for a future, too. A future here and in eternity.

If I'm wrong about my confidence, so be it. If there's no god out there and I'm driven by blind faith, so be it. In the end, I won't know I was I wrong. But, in the present it is the fuel that drives my spirit and my body. Without it I would not be able to drive for the goal like I do today! I'm glad I chose the path I have and I have all the confidence in the world that it was the right one.

[Dee]

This thread has gone too far... But I only have one word to say...

God exists.. You know why? Because He answers my prayers

[Joshuamonkey]

I haven't been on this forum for a while, andI had to scan a lot of the pages. Though I always read Nalaris'.

I've never before heard of Warren Jeff, and I think that guy has serious issues...three wives to go to heaven, whatever.
Wikipedia quote: On May 7, 2006, the FBI placed Jeffs on their Top Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list
Apparently this is quite recent.

With the teenagers thing, what's wrong with waiting until you're older to do stuff? If its natural to get mad at someone and kill them, should I do it?

homosexuality: maybe some animals are like that, but not humans! Stop comparing humans to animals!

Forgive me if I missed what someone else said.

I don't think 100% of those gone to therapy change, but I still think it isn't natural. Anyway, we shouldn't encourage it. You can love someone of the same gender, but not like that...

God exists.. You know why? Because He answers my prayers

I got an idea, how about everyone take a minute and try praying. Don't be stubborn and just give up a minute of your day to try.
Though you have to ask in faith. Worth a try, I think.

[Mykey]

I apologise, but, in my opinion, you are not right. I can prove it. Write to me in PM.

[west]

Not me, baby. I'm a machine.

[Mykey]

I apologise, but, in my opinion, you commit an error. I can defend the position. Write to me in PM.

[Dee]

God exists.. You know why? Because He answers my prayers

I got an idea, how about everyone take a minute and try praying. Don't be stubborn and just give up a minute of your day to try.
Though you have to ask in faith. Worth a try, I think.

I was going to ask the same thing YOU STOLE MY IDEA!!! THOUGHTS THIEF!!

Okay, please, now this is a request, seriously.. Can you guys do that? There's nothing to lose... Pray for something you really want to happen.. Now, you should know that it could take for ever to happen, but if you really pray for it, with faith in your heart, be sure that God will answer your prayers.

If God answers your prayers, and you're still not convinced that He exists, then I don't know what will make you convinced..

[Mykey]

No, I cannot tell to you.

[Dee]

Whatever suits you.

[Joshuamonkey]

*****NEWSFLASH*****

This just in: HUMANS ARE ANIMALS!!!

I meant other animals!

*****NEWSFLASH*****

This just in: HUMANS AREN'T RABBITS!!!

[Mykey]

On your place I would go another by.

[the_antisocial_hermit]

Some prayers are answered, some are not ever answered. Praying when you don't truly believe for something you want won't show you God. Guidance would probably be better to pray for. But if you don't want to see, you never will.

There is no proof that can be offered as a universal truth when it comes to something as ambiguous as spirituality. There is no proof that can be offered for anything. There can only be evidence for and evidence against. You have to sift through the evidence and figure it out for yourself and choose something that you're personally comfortable with believing as the truth and hope you chose the best path.

It's all subjective; it's all personal.

[Stan]

As a Christian, I believe all prayer is answered, sometimes the answer is no. However, there is a scripture that is particularly relevent and I have found it quite powerful and is one of the reasons that I believe the Bible to be true.

This prayer has always proven true when I've put it to practice.

In fact, Jesus said it at least 2 times:

"And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." John 14:13-14

"I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete." John 16:23b-24

[Jack Dudeman]

Here's an experiment:

Find three coins. Drop one of the coins... now drop the second coin.

Now have everyone you know pray that the third coin will do something other than what the previous two coins did.

Now drop the coin. What happens?

My point is: Talking to an unknown, invisible, imaginary being who is in control of everything is useless. If you really want something, just try and make it so.

A starving child praying for food is just as likely to get a response as a selfish man praying for a new sportscar.

When bad things stop happening to those who pray, then I might believe in the power of prayer. Mind you, I used to be very religious. I was a preachy young man who tried to convince people that they would go to hell if they did not believe in the things I believed. Now that I think back on that, I am rather embarrassed by my actions.

Besides, just believing in god won't get you into heaven according to any religion that I've read about. For example: Catholics have to be baptized, take communion, and confess their sins. So, according to the Catholic religion, all protestants are going to burn in pain forever after they die. As are all members of every other religion in the world. According to Muslims, everyone on Earth that doesn't believe in and practice Islam is going to burn forever also.

If you have personal faith, good for you, but don't damn everyone else that disagrees with you. That's my main problem with organized religion. Now before I'm corrected... I realize that not all religions believe that non-believers will go to hell, but certainly the Christians do.

As for the bible... To me, you can either believe in all of it, or none of it. And I read a scripture yesterday that says that a godly man called a curse down on some youths who were calling him a name, and behold, some bears came out of the woods and mauled 42 of the children to death. Is this reasonable?

And nowhere in the bible does anyone comdemn slavery or child labor. Does that mean that because it was acceptable back then that it should be acceptable now? My point in saying this is that biblical morals are not the ones we should be following.