Santa Theory

[kroner]

Did I say they were not Western. I said that they were Muslim and in the middle east.

I said it is a middle eastern democracy. Is that wrong.

ok if that's all you said then you're right. sorry, i didn't read everything back all the way, i just saw you responding to

and plus Turkey is both considered geographically and culturally part of Europe instead of the Middle East.

'cause that is not wrong (sort of)

[Meh]

Is Turkey in the Middle East?

Yes (but we all agree it is also in Europe) Sort of like Russia.

Is there a Muslim majority?

Yes.

Is it a democracy.

Yes.

Does it ever get any credit for that.

No.
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[Meh]

And I did belive in Santa.

[Meh]

http://www.datenbank-europa.de/indexe.html

Here is a site that has Turkey as a European country and not a Middle Eastern or Asian country.

The site lists not other contients.

Why must it list other continents? It's suppose to be a map of Europe.

Because a map of asia would list Turkey too.

[rklenseth]

Though the information could be outdated or reporting on remote areas of Turkey that usually don't report in their numbers and such.

I belive the information was accurate in 600 AD possibly as late as 1400 AD.

You have to understand that a lot of Turkey is made up of remote locations where people live apart from the actual country and what is happening. It's not the US where we can count most of the heads in our country. It's a lot harder to do it in a third world country, especially one that would rather see itself as a Islamic country and not one so mixed. As I said, where do you think the CIA got the information from?

[Meh]

Though the information could be outdated or reporting on remote areas of Turkey that usually don't report in their numbers and such.

I belive the information was accurate in 600 AD possibly as late as 1400 AD.

You have to understand that a lot of Turkey is made up of remote locations where people live apart from the actual country and what is happening. It's not the US where we can count most of the heads in our country. It's a lot harder to do it in a third world country, especially one that would rather see itself as a Islamic country and not one so mixed. As I said, where do you think the CIA got the information from?

It's not third world.
It's second or developing.
It is very developed even in the east.

But OK Turkey is lying about it's own population. There is a hugh amount of chirstians locked in cages somewhere. I couldn't find them either.

[Meh]

Though the information could be outdated or reporting on remote areas of Turkey that usually don't report in their numbers and such.

I belive the information was accurate in 600 AD possibly as late as 1400 AD.

You have to understand that a lot of Turkey is made up of remote locations where people live apart from the actual country and what is happening. It's not the US where we can count most of the heads in our country. It's a lot harder to do it in a third world country, especially one that would rather see itself as a Islamic country and not one so mixed. As I said, where do you think the CIA got the information from?

Now I know why the world hates us.

[Meh]

Spain is part of Africa.

[rklenseth]

http://www.datenbank-europa.de/indexe.html

Here is a site that has Turkey as a European country and not a Middle Eastern or Asian country.

The site lists not other contients.

Why must it list other continents? It's suppose to be a map of Europe.

Because a map of asia would list Turkey too.

But you are claiming that because it is Muslim then is it is part of the Middle East, right? Well then why aren't most of the Balkans part of the Middle East then? The Balkans are connected to Turkey and Turkey is connected to the Middle East and there are a lot of Muslims in each country.

Let us remember that Sunni Muslims and Kurdish Muslims are very Westernized compared to those Muslisms that live in Saudi Arabia and so forth. The same goes for Shiites Muslims in Iraq. And all these groups of Muslims are very secular compared to those in others than want Islamic states and so forth.

SO how are we to determine whether or not a certain country is part of which continent? Each person has a different opinion and none of us know how it should be determined.

So why don't we just call it the way it should be. Europe and Asia are one continent that is suppose to make up Eurasia.

[rklenseth]

Though the information could be outdated or reporting on remote areas of Turkey that usually don't report in their numbers and such.

I belive the information was accurate in 600 AD possibly as late as 1400 AD.

You have to understand that a lot of Turkey is made up of remote locations where people live apart from the actual country and what is happening. It's not the US where we can count most of the heads in our country. It's a lot harder to do it in a third world country, especially one that would rather see itself as a Islamic country and not one so mixed. As I said, where do you think the CIA got the information from?

It's not third world.
It's second or developing.
It is very developed even in the east.

But OK Turkey is lying about it's own population. There is a hugh amount of chirstians locked in cages somewhere. I couldn't find them either.

Like I said, Turkey is made up of a lot of remote locations. And when you visited those remote locations did you ask the people what religion they practiced or did you just assume they were Muslim because they lived in Turkey?

And I wouldn't really call Turkey an Islamic Democracy anyways. They are very secular and even though most of the government is run by Muslims doesn't make it an Islamic Democracy. That is like calling France a Catholic Democracy or Great Britian an Anglican(sp?) Democracy. Now you could call Egypt an Islamic Democracy and be right about that.

But anyways, if we are to divide everything up by it's origins of then the Middle East, Southern Europe, Northern Africa, and the Eastern fringes of Asia Major (just a little into India and a little south of 'stans) all the Phonecian Culture because that is where most of the cultures came from and then they changed when they mixed with other people's. In Europe with the Celtic, Germanic, Slavik, Norsemen peoples. In the fringes of Asia with the Oriential people. Northern Africa with the African cultures. The Middle East became the melting pot for them all as well as a place for three different monotheistic religions to rise from. So you see, culturally they are all connected.

[Meh]

But you are claiming that because it is Muslim then is it is part of the Middle East, right?

No. You said I said that.

Let us remember that Sunni Muslims and Kurdish Muslims are very Westernized compared to those Muslisms that live in Saudi Arabia and so forth. The same goes for Shiites Muslims in Iraq. And all these groups of Muslims are very secular compared to those in others than want Islamic states and so forth.

So if they established a democracy in Iraq then it wouldn't be a middle eastern democracy?

SO how are we to determine whether or not a certain country is part of which continent? Each person has a different opinion and none of us know how it should be determined.

Ask the country. They say they are in both parts of Eurasia.

So why don't we just call it the way it should be. Europe and Asia are one continent that is suppose to make up Eurasia.

Not gonna touch that one even tough I agree.

[Meh]

Like I said, Turkey is made up of a lot of remote locations. And when you visited those remote locations did you ask the people what religion they practiced or did you just assume they were Muslim because they lived in Turkey?

Lack of churches. Lack of crosses. Lack of data. Yes an asumption. But I think your assupmton that the Turks are hiding 41% of thier population from the rest of the world belong in the conspiriacy topic.

And I wouldn't really call Turkey an Islamic Democracy anyways. They are very secular and even though most of the government is run by Muslims doesn't make it an Islamic Democracy. That is like calling France a Catholic Democracy or Great Britian an Anglican(sp?) Democracy. Now you could call Egypt an Islamic Democracy and be right about that.

Yes. West corrected me on that. That is not what I mean.

People are saying that the democracy in Iraq will be a first for
1) a democracy in the middle east - false
2) a democracy with a muslim majority - false

Egypt isn't a democracy is it?

[rklenseth]

rklenseth wrote:

But you are claiming that because it is Muslim then is it is part of the Middle East, right?


No. You said I said that.

rklenseth wrote:

Let us remember that Sunni Muslims and Kurdish Muslims are very Westernized compared to those Muslisms that live in Saudi Arabia and so forth. The same goes for Shiites Muslims in Iraq. And all these groups of Muslims are very secular compared to those in others than want Islamic states and so forth.


So if they established a democracy in Iraq then it wouldn't be a middle eastern democracy?

Ahh, but you were saying before that it was a Muslim democracy not Middle Eastern. There is a difference though I would still disagree that the Turkey is a Middle Eastern as I believe that most of it is considered a part of Europe. But since it does have different parts in each so called continent then why don't we call it an Eurasian Democracy?

[Meh]

rklenseth wrote:

But you are claiming that because it is Muslim then is it is part of the Middle East, right?


No. You said I said that.

rklenseth wrote:

Let us remember that Sunni Muslims and Kurdish Muslims are very Westernized compared to those Muslisms that live in Saudi Arabia and so forth. The same goes for Shiites Muslims in Iraq. And all these groups of Muslims are very secular compared to those in others than want Islamic states and so forth.


So if they established a democracy in Iraq then it wouldn't be a middle eastern democracy?

Ahh, but you were saying before that it was a Muslim democracy not Middle Eastern. There is a difference though I would still disagree that the Turkey is a Middle Eastern as I believe that most of it is considered a part of Europe. But since it does have different parts in each so called continent then why don't we call it an Eurasian Democracy?

Yes. West correctted me. It is what I said and not what I meant.

People are saying that muslims "can't do" democracy in that region becuase it's never been done. As if democracy has something speical to do with the west or christianity.

[Meh]

It's not a muslim democracy. It's a secular state.

Yes exactly right.
The thing I was trying to say was...

A Secular Democracy where the majority of the population is muslim.