Keeping an air of positivity on the forums?

[Rmak]

No its not. You have an all staff moderating team so it can always be alleged to serve staff interests , not those of the forum or players. Many forums have general discussion mods from the community who have no conflict of interest and these people are often very experienced.

This is partly why there is unnecessary negativity toward staff. Joining staff doesn't suddenly turn you into a different person or make you no longer a player seeking the interests of the players. Especially for staff members who are only forum moderators (though really this applies to all staff), these are people from the community seeking to help the Cantr community, and they shouldn't have a conflict of interest. We do need more, however.

What do you think my interest is? I just want everyone to be happy and for Cantr to succeed.

Actions of some can imply conflict of interest , not just being staff. If staff are involved in a thread from that players perpective then they should remove themselves from modding anything non urgent on it. Then no one can accuse them of bias in their edits. Some notification for edits/delete to the poster will also help clear up any misunderstanding and improve positivity

[Alladinsane]

Gab does monitor us and its a heck of a lot more eyes per person than it is on the players.

All moderation reports do get reported and we are always available to be scrutinized...often without our knowledge.
I welcome it and invite it.
If the actions I or any of the mods take are not in the best interest of the game as determined by our bosses, we should be asked to resign or recuse from the thread in question.

We do this for you. No special privileges or rewards are given for our work, and none should be expected or we would indeed have the conflict of interest that some people worry about. This current team is spotless as much as I have seen.

I know one person in particular that I am planning to approach, I only hope I can be charming enough.

Things are improving and a few of you have said it... thank you.

Soon we can stop debating it and start doing it, just a few more loose ends and we can bury the issue.
Our thanks to those of you who were and still are supportive and patient.

[Jaxon]

Could we move our complaints and negative posts to a place where anonymous users can't see them?

We could, but what is in the best interests of the game to begin with? Should we try to make the game look like sunshine and roses? There's always unintended consequences when you market with deception.

[Genie]

Many people despise happiness and good mood in the games, some even see that as a sign of weakness. So why? They may even find it interesting and fun. *She shrugs*

[Swingerzetta]

Could we move our complaints and negative posts to a place where anonymous users can't see them?

We could, but what is in the best interests of the game to begin with? Should we try to make the game look like sunshine and roses? There's always unintended consequences when you market with deception.

I think there's an important difference between a strictly-moderated forum and a fakely-happy forum. Mainly, in a well/strictly moderated forum, confrontational interactions would be restricted to avenues where their resolution could be most efficiently sought, and non-confrontational conversations wouldn't need to be derailed with it.

On here, for example, most threads seem to have at least one mention of player dissatisfaction with administrative decisions or set rules. It tends to interrupt the conversation. Instead, these conversations could be escorted to less public avenues like PMs, internal investigations, or even just a single thread devoted to the topic in question; not to hide it, but to leave room for those who want to talk about other types of things to talk about other types of things.

I suppose I don't want to see negativity stifled, just for positivity to be given enough room.

[MattWithoos]

That's actually not a bad idea. If we had a dedicated thread for these concerns, we could as a community just say "no, please post this in X thread so people can get on with the actual topic without derailment".

[Wolfsong]

I think the reason you see a lot of negativity leak into threads is that these concerns already aren't being addressed elsewhere, so people feel the need to bring them to the forefront of attention in hopes they will be addressed, and not ignored, etc.

[Joshuamonkey]

I agree with Swingerzetta's observation/suggestion, and this is the idea behind the Staff Feedback forum. We haven't been moving off-topic forum conversations over there much, but we could.

[Rmak]

Lets face it the staff concerns section is just a bucket that gets ignored or lip service posted on it. The same arguments were all bought up during the [edited] some previous discussions. Same answers usually apply , as summed up by echo man and other staff in their posts. Nothing will change in that regard just the same empty promises.

Making a fake happy forum is a nice reflection of the environment.

[Swingerzetta]

Lets face it the staff concerns section is just a bucket that gets ignored or lip service posted on it. The same arguments were all bought up during the ban reban saga staff created. Same answers usually apply , as summed up by echo man and other staff in their posts. Nothing will change in that regard just the same empty promises.

Making a fake happy forum is a nice reflection of the environment.

I haven't yet seen the current feedback techniques get the results that are apparently being sought by some players. So as it is I don't think it's doing anyone any good. Here's the thing, though: I know people who no longer visit the forums here because all they see is drama. It's not really working for anyone. The solution I see here is to move this problem-solving-oriented stuff over to leave some room for the other people to enjoy themselves in.

[Rmak]

People don't visit forums for a lot of reasons

[MattWithoos]

Rmak - could you give some concrete examples of problems you have right now? I'm in an inventive mood so I'm curious as to any solutions you might have as well. Let's see if we can actually create the change you want.

So - specifically - share a problem - and get very, very specific. Let's generate a solution to it, and post it in the Suggestions forum once there is player consensus. Following that, we advocate for the idea to staff, push it through the bureaucracy. Only then will it be fair to say if the idea is given lip service or not!

[Rmak]

Rmak - could you give some concrete examples of problems you have right now? I'm in an inventive mood so I'm curious as to any solutions you might have as well. Let's see if we can actually create the change you want.

So - specifically - share a problem - and get very, very specific. Let's generate a solution to it, and post it in the Suggestions forum once there is player consensus. Following that, we advocate for the idea to staff, push it through the bureaucracy. Only then will it be fair to say if the idea is given lip service or not!

I don't intend to repeat things I and others have posted over the last ten months simply to satisfy your interest now. There are the same threads going back years and
staff attitude, mixed responses to these items and questions was made quite clear.

[MattWithoos]

If you don't want to team up and solve it, then all I can ask is that you please stop bringing it up.

If you do want to team up, I'm here to help. Send me a PM, reach out to me in IRC. Otherwise... seriously, friend, it's pointless.

[Rmak]

If you don't want to team up and solve it, then all I can ask is that you please stop bringing it up.

If you do want to team up, I'm here to help. Send me a PM, reach out to me in IRC. Otherwise... seriously, friend, it's pointless.

Ah so it's talk to returner or nothing happens in the world.
Feeling important ?[edited ] your not staff so dont make statements like that. I will continue to follow these issues when I see them mentioned in the appropriate areas.

I post everything publicly too so I don't plan to have any private discussion with you sorry, for various reasons.