Pie wrote:DELGRAD wrote:GOD JESUS means nothing. It Is but A legend of lies of many thousands of years.
That is of the old way. I have been an atheist no less than 28 years and no demonds posses me. I have free will over all. Same as the free will you can have if you wish it so.
I must sorely disagree with this, and also state that again you are being ignorant (I mean no offence, just to tell you my opinion) By not stating any proof or any slight evidenced of such.
I must be the worst christian in the world
There is plenty of evidence that christianity is merely lies, and it is circular belief, I believe in god because it tells me to in the bible, and I believe in the bible because it is the word of god. The fact that it has changed over the last few thousand years is fact.
Now, I'd love to quote why much "belief" is "ignorant", rather than him, but I can't find my Darren Brown book, so I'll sum it up. Religion works on the principle of finding times when it is correct, and raising them up, whilst ignoring times things went wrong. Take for example you Pie, as you are such a devout christian I assume you pray? Well, think back to a few prayers you had recently, right, now, the ones you are likely to raise up are those that were answered, or didn't need to be answered, and you will say that is definitive proof of god's existance because he answered a prayer. However, we ignore those times that prayers weren't answered, and frankly in order to have any kind of "evidence" you have to see this as evidence that god doesn't exist, despite the fact that some of your prayers were answered, as this proves them to merely be chance.
An example that doesn't revolve around religion. There was an experiment where they were fed from a tube whilst they were in a small enclosed space. At first they tried it with the feeding periods coming at random intervals, defined by a computer. Each chicken saw that one thing they did caused the feeder to feed them, although of course it had no effect whatsoever, and so every single chicken began to go through its own ritual of movements and noises in order to make the feeder feed them. They didn't notice that quite often when they performed their rituals nothing happened, their brain only relised that at some points it did work, and so despite the fact that it had nothing to do with the outcome they still had rituals. Next they performed it at set intervals, every half-hour or so, and despite the fact that there was a clear system to it, a new set of chickens still formed their own rituals to make the feeder feed them.
This experiment was then repeated on humans, children to be precise. A clown was given a bag of sweets and told first to give sweets out to the children at random intervals. The children, like the chicken, created their own rituals to make the clown give them sweets, for example kissing his nose, or doing little dances. This of course had no effect on the outcome, there were many times they did it when nothing happened, but they reason that because sometimes the timing was the same they were making a difference. They then did it with set timings, and, again, like the chicken, found the same result, the children formed rituals.
Now lets go back to prayers. They are a ritual to make things happen because at some points the thing that you want to happen does happen because of it. But the fact that it doesn't everytime is -proof- that thr ritual has no effect.
Now lets take the morals of this and apply them to religion as a whole. They believe that because some things, perhaps in the bible, or perhaps in real life situations, conform to what the religion tells you, they ignore everything that -doesn't- go right, and the things that are -wrong- with their holy scriptures, and the prayers that -arn't- answered, despite the fact that these things are also certainly evidence against the religion.
They do not work like Science. Science tries constantly to prove itself wrong because you -cannot-, and I mean -cannot-
prove something true by finding examples of when something is true, you can only prove something true by finding that there is no evidence that it isn't true. (Take my question about cards with numbers and letters on each side in the brain questions thread. It works on this principle)
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we" - George W. Bush
