A Note dropped that is quite offensive....

[Hellzon]

Meanwhile, someone playing a fairy is a terrible crime, and all of Cantr will burn in Gehenna if that player is not corrected.
I mean, you people are mostly sane, but when it comes to insults and rape, you seem to lose all sense. If drygear, Stan and the PD people hadn't done it so well, I'd provide some snark in this thread.

/Hellzon - fo sheezy!

[SekoETC]

Insults and sexual violence are not against laws of nature while fairies are. Nor are they a CRB, only a question of how Cantr is rated to project minors and should we have censorship to protect people. In this case, destroying the note could seen as someone ripping it apart because there was no mind in saving it. The only time it's a CRB when the hate is from the player, not the character, and directed to hurt the fellow players (through possibly through their characters).

[KiNG KiLL]

Right. That's my point as well. I am really frightened by censorship that I haven't agreed on, that I'm being forced upon. I have no character that uses words like in that note so it wouldn't affect myself or my game, but I like to have the oppurtunity to have charatcers to be vulgar and offensive to other characters. If I can kill'em, why can't I abuse or taunt them?

Oh, and Stan... you said it best, it's only a game. The characters offend each other, not the actual, real-life player. So don't roll your eyes at me...

[Stan]

Look, you can say that the killing in Cantr is worse than the vulgar language issue we're discussing but that's baloney. The killing in Cantr is basically the equivalent to hitting the backspace. There's no graphic description or pictures. It doesn't even come close to death in real life.

The vulgar language is real. There are kids that play this game and you should be mindful of other people...especially children.

If you think language and words are meaningless you are naive. Words are very powerful and damaging. Get some common sense. Come on.

I should mention, that I don't think you are an idiot, by the way...I was just demonstrating how powerful words can be to offend.

[Doug R.]

Yes, the children, the children.

Any parent that allows their child to play online games has to expect that their child will be exposed to a certain amount of offensive language. If they don't, they're irresponsible parents, but it's not Cantr's job to be playing parents to these kids, and there is no way that they could even if they wanted to. (Anyway, it's usually the kids, in my experience, that are using obscene language inappropriately anyway, not the adults.)

That's my view on language. My views on the R word have been posted previously.

[KiNG KiLL]

I wouldn't be playing Cantr, I don't think anyone of us would or could, if words weren't powerful. I understand your point here, Stan. I say that you should be able to use strong language and words in the game, but definitely not here on the forum.

I haven't considered the possibility that I may offend children while playing this game. As I said before, I don't need to use any offensive words for my characters at the moment, but if they get really really angry... should I have them yell "Darn those freakin' knights" because anything worse could affect children in a bad way? What if the character is a mindless and violent murderer... shouldn't they be allowed to use bad language as a part of their personality? This probably isn't the right forum for a discussion on censorship, but I think it's laughable that you need to put beeps instead of common curse words on television or even on records nowdays... I really hope that thing never creeps into this game...

And I don't think you're an idiot either, it's very interesting to discuss things we disagree on, probably because our views are rooted in different cultures and ideologies

[Stan]

A "certain amount"? LOL did you even read the message?

Yeah, you're right. The poor Cantr players have no right to free speech in this world and now they are being asked to not use filthy vulgar sexually explicit language because some idiot might have let his kids play games on the internet.

This sounds more like a self control issue rather than free speech issue.

Oh yeah, I forgot its all about you and what you want to do. Screw everyone else that doesn't want to read filth like that.

[Oasis]

This probably isn't the right forum for a discussion on censorship....

You're right. By all means open a thread in General Discussion, anyone who wishes to continute this debate, but I would prefer it not be continued here.

Just a final note on the subject, though.......the issue of public obsenities and vulgarity is different than private ones (between two chars, the other you know won't be offended, of course). So these are not necessarily disallowed in the game, just kept from public view (which includes notes). And we're not talking about all swearing. There is a huge difference between swearing, and what was seen in this note.

Seko made a very good point......

The only time it's a CRB when the hate is from the player, not the character, and directed to hurt the fellow players (through possibly through their characters).

It also becomes a problem in it's excessivity, if public..........however in the note in question, more specifically the p.s, the hate began to come from the player, not the character.

[N-Aldwitch]

The character is dead soon so whether I'm putting the problems on to another town or removing a very good RPer who knows the line is beyond me.

[Nick]

But where do you draw the line? I bet worse language than that is used when people are "RPing" with their loved ones in their local building.

[Oasis]

That is in private, and completely different than making that kind of language public. One assumes that a player has figured out if that type of language will be offensive to the other player before their characters uses it in their rp.

[Phalynx]

That is in private, and completely different than making that kind of language public. One assumes that a player has figured out if that type of language will be offensive to the other player before their characters uses it in their rp.

But that's where is all falls down, you have no idea who the player behind a character is.... we know there are some 13 year olds play this game, maybe younger. I am undecided one way or another but I don't think the fact that language is in private makes all that much difference.. Remember in some countries in law someone under the age of consent cannot consent to things (even if we know they get up to worse on their own volition), the site owners could be required to provide a disclaimer or some form of age restriction technically.

For the record I have had a warning for rude language from the PD - RPing naughtiness in a building with one other person there - I presume they complained because I a am currently engaged in much worse in a boat on the open seas! but haven't had any trouble yet!

[Sekar]

You guys don't get it do you? This has nothing to do with the language he spouted. It had nothing really to do with him being angry that he was locked in a prison. He is one of those people(often called cyberbullies) who just loves to insult people online, often being racist, sexist, or in this case sexually harassing. The note that he dropped should be considered spam, and should be deleted. Cus you can totally tell that it has no meaning other then to disgust people. Does he plan to create another character and exact revenge? Probably not. Now I can't think of the rules right now, but there must be one against spam.

[Sekar]

damn whats up with the way my post looks?

[cantrlady]

damn whats up with the way my post looks?

You mean bringing back subjects long dead...not sure why.