Limited Stomach Capacity

[SekoETC]

Oh, natural healing is in Accepted? Well, that's news to me. I'd love to have natural healing.

[KVZ]

This is great suggestion and can solve many current problems with combat. For example such things as tea and coffee should be included on this list, so no one can overuse them anymore.

[BZR]

We can change the name of "drunkness" bar to "intoxication" or something like that. It would be reduced daily, and would be increased every time one eats a healing food, depending on the type.

[SekoETC]

It would make sense to get a sugar high from eating too many cookies or too much ice cream, but you'd only get painful gas from eating 5 kilos of onions, and maybe severe stomach acid. I think drunkenness should only happen with alcohol, and okay, maybe with sugary products since sugar does turn into alcohol in the system, or so I've heard. If stuff was going to increase the drunkenness bar then it should also have some sort of an effect.

[Snake_byte]

We can change the name of "drunkness" bar to "intoxication" or something like that. It would be reduced daily, and would be increased every time one eats a healing food, depending on the type.

I like the name change but different intoxicating healing foods should have different levels. And I vote that dried mushrooms intoxicate a little as well.

[Cogliostro]

I vote we shouldn't get carried away with models of food toxicity and caffeine, it's really important to focus on the main idea and understand/calculate what we can about its impact, if it's ever to be implemented.

I mean let's worry about all these additional things like poison later after the stomachs are working and making the game so much more awesome than it is now.

[SekoETC]

I agree with Cogliostro on this. Let's not get carried away with the intoxication stuff and stay on topic.

[Snake_byte]

Alight... well I'm on the fence with this one. Because if this limit is going to be under 50% I'm not for it at all.

[SekoETC]

Under 50% healing? Well it depends on what type of healing food would be consumed. 3350 g onions vs. 650 g scrambled eggs vs. 31250 g sugar. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

[Snake_byte]

Right... SO I guess it would be a number is grams and not a percent we're looking for...

[SekoETC]

Yeah.

This might be of some assistance. Grams needed to heal 50% damage. It shouldn't be classified information since most if not all of it is available in the wiki, it's just a matter of multiplying by 50 and sorting.

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Resource            Grams needed to heal 50% damage  Commonness
scrambled eggs             625
piernik                    625
boiled eggs                667
mead                       714
healing liquid (l)         758
wine                       801
healing liquid (h)         926
cider                      973
healing liquid (f)        1000
healing liquid (d)        1111
clarified honey           1111
healing liquid (a)        1136
healing liquid (e)        1136
healing liquid (m)        1190
healing liquid (c)        1220
lemon juice               1250
healing liquid (k)        1250
mulled wine               1250
grape juice               1330
tepache                   1404
raspberry jam             1429
coconuts                  1667
pickles                   1667
ice cream                 1667
honey                     1667          #3
gingerbread               1667
papayas                   1761          #9
fruit salad               1786
pineapples                1894
raisins                   2000
cookies                   2083
croissants                2083
dried mushrooms           2083
apple pie                 2193
apple juice               2193
grapes                    2232
sake                      2273
potato omelette           2273
crushed aloe vera         2500
cheese sandwich           2500
kisiel                    2500
granola                   2551
nuts                      2688          #6
bananas                   2778          #7
popcorn                   2778          #5
rice pudding              2778
couscous                  2778
salad                     3289
spinach soup with garlic  3289
onions                    3333          #1
strawberries              3333
stewed tomatoes           3333
ginseng                   3846
beer                      3846
mout whisky               4167
cornbread                 4167
mushrooms                 4386          #10
apples                    4386
blended whisky            4545
blackberries              4545
grain whisky              5000
blueberries               5556
raspberries               6250
grits                     6250
tomatos                   6579          #4
spinage                   8333          #2
seaweed                   8333
grass                    25000          #8
sugar                    31250
ground coffee beans      50000

The ten most common in the game (measured by weight) are onions, spinach, honey, tomatos, popcorn, nuts, bananas, grass, papayas and mushrooms.

[Snake_byte]

Well their average is about 2685g. Added all together and divided by 70. I lumped the last three into 50,000g all together, which is only about half their values. Adding full values gives about a 3400g average...

[SekoETC]

The average is actually 3319 grams since it turns out that ground coffee beans don't actually exist in the game. I guess it has been replaced by ground coffee, which has no healing value.

[Snake_byte]

so does 3500-4000g seem like a reasonable cap? Or are we looking at something lower?
Because if you think about it, cantrians don't eat until they are full, just enough to survive. I think that is one in cantr were feeling gluttonous, they may be able to eat that much. Like myself, I can -survive- off two hotdogs a day, but if I had the means, and feel like a pig, I could eat 1 dozen and a half or two easily...

[Cogliostro]

In general I gotta say we're a pretty ingenious tribe around here. I mean, ideas about having a % limit on healing per day have been around for ages, but this stomach system where there is no percent limit, but the actual food weight and quality get to play a role is something totally new and just genius.

I think it would be reasonable to take something common like say onions, and then use that as an Archimedian fixed point to turn the whole Earth around. Let the max healing per day with onions be around 10-15% (just round it for a nice number) and scale the rest from there.

It is also VERY important that no one starts on the "realism" sidetrack during this process, as this scaling is important for gameplay reasons and has to be done just right so that it makes sense for the game, not for the dubious realism which's totally lacking from Cantr's food systems anyway.


Something I've been thinking about is how we don't really want to add more annoying red messages to the interface that say stuff like "You can't eat any more food today. Try tomorrow." That would be lame on many levels, so what if the actual stomach itself could accept "any" amount of food you try to eat, but the trick is that its nourishment and healing effects would be applied during global food tick, according to the limits we're discussing now. So if you ate 2kilo onions and some piernik, the stomach would "know" to digest the piernik first and then go into the onions for whatever remains of the gram limit it has. The remainder of the food would just wait in the stomach till next day.

And food in the stomach counts toward char weight, so no exploits through that. What do you think?