The possibility of spawning as someone's child?

[Genie]

Hey, Genie, is there room in that outcasts gang?

Ummm sure...*offers her an application* Fill this with hatred please.

[SekoETC]

Sorry I even brought up this topic. You have made it very clear the majority hates it. Ten years ago there were more people supporting it but most of them have quit and never come back. There honestly aren't many games that would allow playing pregnancies and children, only FTO comes to mind, so it's a pretty poor argument that people should go play one of those games, when there's only one of them and it takes months of waiting to be born. Games like Village Life and Baby & Me don't count because they're not RPGs.

[Chroma Key]

Just because there is only one other game that allows such rp and there is a waiting list, it doesn't mean /this game/ should be turned into it. That is just as poor as an argument, and of course a lot of other, very valid arguments have been raised against it, and they hold up very well without what you call a poor argument.

I am actually glad that it has been discussed. We know where players stand on this matter and that's a good thing.

Also, I hope you know that the objections are nothing personal. At least, on my end, they are, although, on this issue, I feel confident for speaking on behalf of some of the others, too.

[SekoETC]

I never said that this game should be converted just because there's only one game available that enables it. If birth or even spawning as a child had existed from the beginning beside spawning as an adult, no one would see anything strange about it. But it hasn't, there's no changing the past, and at this point in history, it would be too large a change.

[Alladinsane]

Who even finds this fun?
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On this forum, when people complain that their chars are ignored by people who claim to not be into their type of rp, would this spike participation; or alienation? I would surmise that those complaints might become more numerous and segregation of groups would grow as some would purposely move on to isolated locations with those who think ooc like minded.

The insinuation that people might have quit "and never come back" because there were no children to rape or beat seems as poor an argument as the insinuation that today's batch of players is inferior because they find objection to such actions and story lines.

If there were players who supported it in the past, perhaps it would bolster ones position to post links to those threads?

This is too divisive and the number of players we might would lose over such a thing seems to be a 'majority'.

The lines are drawn it seems and I do not see most of them changing. Those here who are already parents (myself for example) find this type of discussion more appropriate of the forums on a NAMBLA website. This is a game, and certain dirty aspects of society are not well placed and surely not fun.

There is a rule now against rape... now would there be a proposal against statutory rape too?
Oh... if its 'consensual' would that make it right, or just even more tasteless?

I would vote vociferously and adamantly against this.
In truth, I don't even think there should be a 'vote' at all.

[SekoETC]

Here are a couple of topics. The latter one used to be in accepted suggestions but the decision was reverted because it turns out no one even knew what exactly had been accepted. There used to be a baby talk filter in the test environment, and back when I joined staff, there was a discussion about babies on one of the staff forums, but it was marked as [BB] (back burner).

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=263&p=1893&hilit=families#p1893

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5578&hilit=generations

It doesn't look like there's ever going to be a vote because so many people seem to think this would ruin the game. I assume even if there were children, it would bring in less players than it would drive away.

[Faith]

I will give three points (now serious), because of this would -probably- never be implemented (I never take anything for granted).

First: Honestly, I don't know if it would ruin the game. But Imo, It would goes against the spirit of the game. The idea of Cantr now (and always, as far as I know) is that you can develop a society, without any prefixed ideas of the real world (at least, it's what Cantr sells to the potential players...).

Second: It's already sooo dificult for some players put aside all the stereotypes from real world (about a large amount of things); If we introduce families to the game, we would have to deal with all the stereotypes attached to them, that some players (unconsciously) would introduce with it.

Third: (the most serious to me)

[...]There is a rule now against rape... now would there be a proposal against statutory rape too?
Oh... if its 'consensual' would that make it right, or just even more tasteless?[...]

It would entail a BUNCH of new rules. Because, let's be clear, they would be needed as the NCS rule was needed. And at this point, it would be an authentic legal headache (without going any further, and even when they 'still' don't affect the online games, comes to my mind the latest regulations in the UK about pornography...so yes, I would say without risk of contradiction, that would be a legal headache). And it would be a legal problem because remember that no matter how many rules we make, they don't prevent things to happen, just punish when the thing already has happened, and games rules are a very thin legal shield...

[cutecuddlydirewolf]

Okay, okay! *runs from the barrage of posts* I get it.... it was only a suggestion. *sighs*
I guess in the end, I agree with Faith, and that it just wouldn't work with the game. -_- And since so many players seem to absolutely loathe it, it may as well just be dropped.

[Majix]

Protect us from children in Cantr! Please.

Please.