Education

[Pie]

Split from "Evolution."
ok... NOW we can drop it like a potatoe. but first.. i have one more question.WHAT NEXT SHOULD WE DEBAIT ON!
WHAT NEXT I SAY!?!?!?!?!?!????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?

[west]

The decline of the educational system.

[Pie]

i think it's the educational system itself. IT'S SOO BORING!

oo... and west... can you fetch me some cofffy?

[mortaine]

Pie: you need Caffeine like a fish needs a bicycle.

West: You win. *applauds*

Pie: I am no longer surprised at anything you say, what little of it I can decipher, that is. Your ignorance shines like a million suns.

[BadMonkey]

No need to blame the education system. Plenty of fine people are products. Blame society. Not only is it more accurate, but it's easier.

[Pie]

well.. it's just that they teach us a whole lot of things we don't need to lern. I mean.. Math... shure.. we need to lern how to multiply... Science... we might need to lern some of that.. but spelling... spelling is somthing you can't teach with "tests" and "quizes". it would really take indevidual traning(as in my case).. somthing that can't really happen. and writing.. my teacher teaches us the stupedist things.. it's like.. the Hycoo thing. your never going to yous it in your life.

but west is the ofitial (coffy fetcher) for the players department.

[west]

well.. it's just that they teach us a whole lot of things we don't need to lern. I mean.. Math... shure.. we need to lern how to multiply... Science... we might need to lern some of that.. but spelling... spelling is somthing you can't teach with "tests" and "quizes". it would really take indevidual traning(as in my case).. somthing that can't really happen. and writing.. my teacher teaches us the stupedist things.. it's like.. the Hycoo thing. your never going to yous it in your life.

but west is the ofitial (coffy fetcher) for the players department.

And you're not on it, so no coffee for you

[mortaine]

well.. it's just that they teach us a whole lot of things we don't need to lern.

You are, what, thirteen years old? What the heck gives you the right to decide that you don't need to know something? You are a child.

Math: You NEED to know math, or you will get ripped off every day of your life. I used to think I wouldn't need algebra-- I now do algebra on a weekly basis. I used to think I wouldn't need geometry, and I did very poorly in that class. I use geometry on a weekly basis-- for FUN.

Science: This whole thread illustrates how your lack of understanding of science shows you to be ignorant. Scientific inquiry is a process by which one becomes a more critical thinker, capable of seeing past basic assumptions and forming logical and well-thought questions that other people won't laugh at.

Spelling: Spelling can and IS taught through tests and repetition and READING. The more you read, the better you spell. You say that in your case it would take individual attention-- I don't think so. Again and again and again, you have shown that you simply don't want to use the most basic tools available to you to improve. Your laziness is not an excuse. It's a reason for your failure, but it in no way excuses it.

Haiku: Haiku are beautiful and they are the EASIEST form of poetry to write. The reason your teacher has you learn them is because human beings are more than calculators-- we are human. We feel, we express our feelings, we share-- and poetry is one way we do that. You may not enjoy poetry, and that's fine. But I am sure there are things in your classes that made you say "wow, that's neat, I should try that more" and pursue it. Haiku is the entry drug to poetic expression.

I met an astronaut when I was thirteen years old and, when asked what classes we should focus on, what math we needed, which sciences were more important, she said, very simply "English: if you can't communicate, you can't get anywhere."

Learn it. Love it. Or you will fail at everything you do.

[Pie]

Hey.. i read alot
i just finishd a very long book
doesn't mean i can spell

[The Industriallist]

Learn it. Love it. Or you will fail at everything you do.

I hope that's not quite true, or I'm in trouble...learn it well, yes. Love it...I hope I don't have to.

No need to blame the education system. Plenty of fine people are products. Blame society. Not only is it more accurate, but it's easier.

Why not blame the education system? It is really, really bad. Some people make it out with functioning minds, but that just means that it doesn't manage to drag everyone down the hole with it.

Of course, that doesn't mean that getting nothing out of it isn't the student's fault also. Or that the school system being so bad isn't society's fault (if that means anything).

(Note, I refer to the US school system, both from personal experience and media information. I don't know a thing about foreign schools)

[BadMonkey]

I can't really speak. I'm a product of British schooling. Not just that, but a system not in use anymore in the rest of the country. I came through a grammar school. Though I am proof that the system doesn't favour the rich, don't get much poorer than my family.

[Stan]

Wow! I missed a lot...

[kinvoya]

Actully, Pie, you can spell. You are just too lazy, childish and inconsiderate to bother.

@mortaine. He said he was 13 but admitted in chat that he is 12 (going on 4). For me this thread stopped being about evolution early on and became all about Pie. I was curious to see if he was willing and/or capable of learning critical thinking and I have my answer.

And I don't blame the educational system at all. There are classrooms in third world countries where 30 kids share one text book and a chalkboard and manage to learn more than the kids in the relatively cushy schools here do.

I blame the millions of messed up, drugged up, alchoholic, mentally ill, abusive, negligent, dysfunctional people pumping out kids they can't even begin to parent in any reasonable way. These poor damaged children never really have a chance. They flood into the classroom almost incapable of functioning on any level. Schools and teachers are not miracle workers. The #1 most significant factor in a child's education is the parent.

[BadMonkey]

And I don't blame the educational system at all. There are classrooms in third world countries where 30 kids share one text book and a chalkboard and manage to learn more than the kids in the relatively cushy schools here do.

I blame the millions of messed up, drugged up, alchoholic, mentally ill, abusive, negligent, dysfunctional people pumping out kids they can't even begin to parent in any reasonable way. These poor damaged children never really have a chance. They flood into the classroom almost incapable of functioning on any level. Schools and teachers are not miracle workers. The #1 most significant factor in a child's education is the parent.

My entire school life was spent in the situation of 30 kids, one text book and a blackboard. That is no excuse.

And the #1 factor is not the parents, it is the child. I live with my mother, and though she's a brilliant parent she has never taken any interest in my education. And I have come out of it in the top 5% of students.

[kinvoya]

Perhaps the fact that you describe her as a brilliant parent had something to do with it. You think, maybe?

Also, I'm not sure, but I think you took my example of the 30 kids and one textbood exactly opposite to the way it was intended.