Artwork

[Tomás]

I think it would give a lot more flavor to the game if the characters could learn and play music. We would have to make instruments like guitars, pianos, futes, etc... we could prepare concerts, etc...
And it would also be great if we could make schulptures, paintings, and other art forms. Having a piece of art in a house would be a luxury, but some may want to have one.
Tomás
CD EDIT: This thread is limited to discussion about artwork - for discussion about music, posts have been merged with Musical Instruments - see below for more details

[Sho]

Music has been suggested (most extensively on http://www.cantr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4251). I don't know about art; I don't see how it could be implemented.

[Pie]

I know EXACTLY how music could be implemented.

It would call for another skill though.

Ok, it works like this. I HAVE A GUETAR!!! I am skilled at playing the guetar.

13387: You here Mr.Peanut play the guetar skillfully.

Ok, I have a consert. 5 of them are skilled,3 are novic, 4 are experts. Now, if we number the levels of skilles like this....

Auquardly:1

Novicly :2

Skillfully :3

Expertly :4

(i might of gotton the order rong, or forgotton some skill levels.)
Ok, since 5 of them are skilled, that means we have a number 15(adding all of the skilled people up.) And we have 3 that are novic. That means whe have a 6. We have 4 experts, 16.
(16+15+6) devided by 12.

you find the mean of the points of all of the band playors.

And there is simply a project "playing in bannd" when a director who has a skill levle points like this.

Auqwardly 1

novicly 4

SKilfully 8

expertly 12

And his number goes into the mean too.

And you can just simply join this project, if you have an instrument. So, There you have it. ITS PERFICT!!IMPLEMENT IT!!!

[KiNG KiLL]

Sweet... i like this idea! More music if possible, please!

[Leo Luncid]

You know, music made from one person could be heard from other people the same way right now. You just need music sheets that display notes by the syllables: do, re, mi, fa, so, la, ti, to. And you could use symbols for half-beats and such and then a key to respresent what they mean. I think "do" is note C, "re" is note D, and so on. Music could be done right now instead of having programmers to implement it, though instruments could be a nice touch.

[MrPenguin589]

You know, music made from one person could be heard from other people the same way right now. You just need music sheets that display notes by the syllables: do, re, mi, fa, so, la, ti, to. And you could use symbols for half-beats and such and then a key to respresent what they mean. I think "do" is note C, "re" is note D, and so on. Music could be done right now instead of having programmers to implement it, though instruments could be a nice touch.

I am assuming you only know a little about music...
The do, re, mi, fa, so ,la ,ti, do can be used for any key (which is a set of notes). You could do it with the C-scale (which is C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C) a B-flat-scale(B-flat,C,D,E-flat,F,G,A,B-flat) or any other scale. Thus, music could be done right now, but it would be horribly inaccurate, as one persons "do" could be C and another persons could be F#. (Actually that makes an open fifth, which sounds pretty good...) Anyways, a better way to do it is how Pie suggested. You don't pick the actual notes and rhythm, you just play, be it awkwardly, novicely, efficiently, skillfully, or expertly.

[Tomás]

Well, first, I didn't see the suggestion Sho pointed even when I look for some time for one, so sorry about that.

I think the idea of having music in Cantr is something all of us likes, the problem is to what extent are we having music, and how to implement it. I'll try to make a summary of everything related:

For the first, I agree that we should NOT upload music files, nor put any link to real music. As Cantr has speech (character talk among themself and we imagine their voices), music should be likewise.

As for the implementation... Well instruments can be as any other item, they should be manufactured (with wood, iron, bronce, string, stone, etc.) and instead of having a 'use' botton we can have a 'play' botton:

13387: You hear Mr.Peanut play the guitar skillfully. (Great example Pie)

For this characters wound need a new skill, and all should start with akward level, because all need to learn and let practice level it up. The same skill applied to singing.

As for concert I also agree absolutely.

About written music, I think that could be done right now with the 'notes'. But I don't see it needed, it would need the player to know about music theory (to be a real musician) while other tasks like fighting with swords does not. So it wouldn't be balanced. I'm myself musician, I do understand written music, I just don't see the need to get into that detail. But anyway, if anyone would like to do it, just use the notes!!

About the instruments. I don't see the point on making it too complex, since it is just for roleplay, we could have drum (wood and leather), marimba (wood and iron), xilophone (iron), bone flute (bone), wood flute (wood), flute (iron), saxophone (bronce or iron and wood), guitar (wood and string -and maybe alittle bit of iron for the keys), violin (wood and string) and piano (wood, string and iron). Some are percusion, some stringed and some wind, maybe more in a future 'expansion' of the idea, if the implementation of this one is succesful enough.

Other forms of art?
Sculpture should be used to make scultures projects , I mean, just like furniture, but with no use other than aesthetics. Uses a sculpture skill (that I think should start at the bottom level also). And the character could make: small sculpture (few grams of stone, iron or wood), medium sculpture (some grams of stone, iron or wood), and large sculpture (lots of grams of stone, iron or wood). And let the character describe it.

Theater maybe the same as music (but without instruments). It could use a 'play' skill and presented as a project (like concert). The plays can be written in current notes, so no change needed.

Dance could be just like theater, but with musicians playing background music.


In any case, the skill should reflect the ability of the character to sing, play an instrument, act or sculpt, not if the other characters like it or not. Let the artist describe what they are doing, and let the audience roleplay if they like it or not. So, for example, if 'John the guitar player' plays ackwardly the guitar and describes it as playing 'The Song of the One Eyed Pirate' (for which he could have a tab to share the audience or not), the audience could just don't care, tell him to shut up, give (throw) tomatoes, clap to support him (maybe his family and friends) or whatever they want.

What would Cantr programmers would need to do? Well, just add the skills (music, singing, sculpt, act and dance), and the objects (instruments and sculptures) to the current game... but I don't know how easy or difficult it is...

What do you think?

[Pie]

I don't think it would be that dificult.

Put the skills of any other object ( maby different objects have different levels, i don't know) as property A!!!!!!

Put property A (skill) as an extra property to all instruments.

[El_Skwidd]

Right now the closest you can get to art is pictures drawn outside of Cantr, sent to the PD, and linked into notes. I'd do it if I had any skill whatsoever.

[Pie]

HOW ABOUT THIS!!! Project PAINTING!!! This would be REALLY HARD TO DO, either that or REALLY EASY TO DO.

WAY 1) Have an in game painting sistem. You need sertain paints, such as, if you have red paint, you can only paint in red. If you have blue paints, you can paint frome any shade frome red to blue. AND there is a touch up on the painting. IF you are novic at it, then the picture is blured, and stuff, if you are expert, than the colors blend eysier, and stuff like that.

WAY 2)(the easy way ) You get to have PROJECT PAINTING!!! You only get to discribe your painting, AND, if you are novic, it sais that it is a novic painting, and so on and so forth. You need 100g of hide(canvis) and 300g of wood(canvas)

[formerly known as hf]

Please only post ONE suggestion per new thread

In regards to music - all posts here have been merged with:Musical Intruments?
See also:
Music(2 pages)
Music in Cantr???(3 pages)
Any more suggestions / comments / discussion regarding music and intruments to stay within those topic please.

Discussion about 'art' may continue here, as there is no thread so far devoted to art (as in sculpture, painting etc.), but please note:
Notes/Artwork(October 2003)

[formerly known as hf]

Personally, I love to see artwork in Cantr - there's not enough of it.

Artwork can be put into notes the usual way, and I'd like to stick with that system.
What would be good, would be the ability to connect an 'object' with an image url.

With the painting and sculpture examples. I'd see projects such as:
Framing artwork:
Req 1000g wood
Hammer
Planer
Carving Knife

You would then be asked for the title of the artwork, and a link to the image url (submitted as usual and hosted by cantr.net as usual)

Once the project is completed, it would appear on the 'projects' screen as Framed artwork:<title>
Instead of the usual buttons next to it (pick up, use etc.) there would only be one button - 'view' - which would be the eye icon as with notes, and would simply load a similar page to note pages, but with just the image url

Scuplture could possibly work in a similar way...