Project Having sex

[formerly known as hf]

I'm saying "let people grow up at whatever rate suits them best".

Which is exactly what I was saying - no need to force this stuff on kids/teenagers - but no need to protect them either. Let them make the decisions about what they choose to do, and let them be confident that their decisions are good, simply on the basis that they made the decision for themselves and it wasn't made for them.

Anyway - this is veering somewhat off topic.

I stand by what I said - there's no need to hard-code sex, in any form, into Cantr.

[glitterdown]

Just in my own defense. What I had to say had little to do with making Cantr soft and cushy for teenagers. Nor did it have anything to do with teenagers being banned from adult activities here (with other teenages OF COURSE). My post was meant to protect adults, or at least caution my peers about an apparent danger I see here in Cantr. That being that people seem to think that "pretend sex" may insulate them from responsibility. Especially considering the anonymity of the game.

As someone fast approaching 30, and I know I'm not the oldest one playing this game, I saw a potential pitfall here, and thought it courteous to call people's attention to it. That's all. It doesn't really matter the context, and I'm not saying "the bible says it's wrong, and you'll burn in hell" or any of that nonsense, hells I'm not even religious. Nor am I ignorant of the original topic of this thread.

But by way of example, were you to watch a pornographic movie that featured a pair of actors: one 40 and one 13 (even if the 13 year old were playing a 40-year old CHARACTER in the "film") I cannot see how anyone would argue about what was happening there.

Also, if there were two people having romantic relations in real-life, and one was 16 and the other 25, and they dressed up in animal costumes and fornicated that way, it doesn't really change that one is 16 and the other 25.

Basically my comment was that no matter how you dress it up, or attempt to dissemble, the inherent reality of the situation remains. And that "truth" is a hazard to adults and their liberties (not that we don't all know this already).

[glitterdown]

I just stumbled across this story in the New YorkTimes & thought it was germane.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/08/business/media/08adco.html?8hpib

[PRUT]

@glitterdown

All you are saying is wise. I accept it.


The problem You are talking about is much wider than just sex topic.
Anonymity is main feature of Internet and it seems to a kind of Pandora's Box.
What to do with it?
For example: is it a good idea to ban all internet shoping after few youngsters bought a gun and kill their peers at school?
Is it possible to prevent pedophilia by bannig using internet at all?
Your country had some experience with alcohol ban in XX century and everyone knows how it finished.

I'm not fan of rp sex and I really have no business in implementing "sex project" in cantr but...
I think this is acceptable risk and there would be more fun in game

For those who are concerned about this idea - listen yours conscience and decide just for yourself

[mortaine]

I haven't read the whole thread here, but:

text is not the same as sex.

I'll repeat that: text is not the same as sex.

In a porn film, if one of the actors is 13, the film is illegal (in the US) as being child porn. This is because the actor is underage. It does not matter if the kid is playing someone who is 18 or 40 or 13. The kid is underage, and the law that is being broken is the one which protects minors from having sex with adults, and the one which protects them from being filmed doing it.

Nowadays, in a porn film, you also won't see a 30 year old actor pretending to be 16, though older classic ones (like Debbie Does Dallas) can and do portray them as such (they've been grandfathered into that particular obscenity law). The law in question, however, is not about minors having sex with adults, but about obscenity-- totally different ball of wax, and a lot harder to prove in court.

However: a porn film is not a book or website. It is not text. The law that requires the porn industry to meticulously document the ages of all actors in their movies does not apply to, say, cartoons, because cartoons are not human beings having sex. A voice actor isn't (necessarily) having sex on the set. The law protecting a child from having sex with an adult or being filmed doing so does not apply, since no children are having sex on such a set.

Meanwhile, Lolita and many many many young adult novels, and all of the VC Andrews books have descriptions of underaged people having sex, often with people who are "of the age of consent." These books may run into private censorship, but they are not illegal. Not solely because of freedom of the press, but because, again, no child is having sex.

Please remember: a textual description of sex is not the act of sex. It isn't even close.

Now, I personally think it's in poor taste to RP explicit sex in Cantr, because that's not really what I come to Cantr for. I'm sure there are those who do, and that's fine as long as they don't force their ways on me.

If I were a parent of a teenager playing Cantr and I'd done my job right, I could trust that kid to make their own choices. I expect any teen of mine would already have burned their way through most of the raunchier novels on my own bookshelf, anyway, and to have illicitly played Strip Poker on my computer, as I did when I was a teenager (and man, were those graphics terrible!). Aside from the real-time interaction with another player, how is Cantr much different?

[Jetlag]

How is Cantr different? Cantr is different because it's two-way interaction. Writing a dirty book intended for an adult market is an entirely one-way thing. Sneaking up to your mum or dad's shelves to read that book is an entirely one-way thing. Once the book has been published, the author has no say in who reads it - it is out of their control, and out of their responsibility.

If you engage in rp sex in Cantr, both people have to engage fully. If you suspect the person your playing with is only 13, then you have the option and ability to stop. All of this may or may not be relevant, but it's what makes Cantr different to books.

The other issue is that it may be different in the eyes of the law. In the UK there are no laws on the sale of adult themed books (makes no sense to me that there are rules about film, but not about books or music, but that's a whole other issue), but there are laws about interactions with children in chat rooms. They have recently introduced new laws concerning "grooming" - where a paedophile will talk to someone they believe to be underage, and encourage and entice them to meet for sex in real life. Now, I know and you know that Cantr is not a chat room, and what you may or may not do in the game may or may not relate to what you do in real life. However, I don't think I'd want to find out whether a court would agree by standing in front of them on a charge of grooming and having to explain why roleplaying sex with a minor isn't the same thing. I'm also not sure whether having a button that says "project having sex" would be seen as any different from full roleplay. I think it's highly unlikely that anyone will ever be charged with grooming for rp sex in Cantr, but unlikely is not the same as impossible.

[kinvoya]

It's perfectly possible that predator pedophiles could troll for vulnerable younger players in a rp game like Cantr. We all know that lots of players reveal their ages in the forums and establish IM relationships OOC.

Arranging for rp sex IC is certainly one way that a pedophile could begin to "groom" a victim for a personal meeting OOC.

[Oasis]

Yes, I suppose that is possible, but not very probable. We have a very good network of vocal players and staff, and most untoward things are caught. However, no system or game is going to be able to be perfect enough to weed out all of them if they come.

That is why parents must be very active in the education and knowledge of their childrens internet lives.

[Pie]

well, im not agreeing or disaproving. its just, if this is aceptid, this is a posability. and this will decreas all obcenaty with this "project". Have this "project" be an instant thing. you click, he (or she) acepts, its done. the girl has to eat for two. and also, have a pregnansy stage. when the "baby" is "born", she(or he) will be about, 2,3,4 years old, and will have a real person controling them. if there are no "newspawns" that are joining cantr, the baby will disapeer, as will the "pregnansy". the "parent" has to teach the "child" how to read, eat, walk, talk if nesesary. by nesesary, i mean if the "child" is like, 2 years old. it takes 2 days to lern.

this would apply derectly into having "skills". your "parents" will show you how to farm, fish, make stuff, archery, you get the point. and this will also make weapons harder to use than others: hense a musket will be easyer to use than a longbow.

just an idea.

P.S pleas excuse any spelling mistakes.

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pie will rule you all.

[Grandma Death]

Dont people already have sex on cantr

"you see a man in his twenties give some wood to a woman in her twenties"

[west]

LAME.

*smites*

[PRUT]

I had... once

[UloDeTero]

I think 'recreational sex' should be RPed. No project is needed. However, for procreational sex, it's a different story. How about this?:

If a couple (one man, one woman) decide to 'try' for a baby, they could each click a button which redefines them as a couple eligible for a child. In other words, they're in an ongoing sexual relationship, without the need to keep starting Sex projects. Note: This would not be a project, but a change in data. Then, in time they'd be assigned a newspawn by the game, which spawns where they are and to which they give a name. The 'data' would then reset to 'not trying'. This newspawn would be their child.

Perhaps the 'age at spawn' can be variable, selected by the player.
But I don't think there should be any 'birth' or eggs or anything. Just spawning, as is traditional.

Note: The couple would have to be heterosexual, but not necessarily married. Age would not matter, I think, for the most part.

[Phalynx]

Note: The couple would have to be heterosexual, but not necessarily married. Age would not matter, I think, for the most part.

Hey, wow there,, people spawn into single sex locations why not have single sex parenthood... It's a game!

[Valsum]

Single sex locations?