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Postby Doug R. » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:38 pm

GranAttacker wrote:I came to the same conclusion as Tiamo, since objects expanding as you add weight sounds weird :X .


I guess you've never seen a balloon then.
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Postby Doug R. » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:54 pm

Tiamo wrote:
Doug R. wrote:A galleon can carry 1800kg of mass, yet weighs 264kg.
Let us assume the total volume of the galleon = 528L, giving it a density of 0.5 (assuming water still = 1).

This assumption is incorrect. The hull of the galleon weighs 264 kg. It is shaped in such a way that it can hold a total of 1800 kg., being equal to 1800 liters of 'material'. The total effective volume of an empty galleon would be 2064 liters, leading to an effective density of 0,128 kg/l. If the galleon is not fully loaded it will easily float on the water (unless air also has a density of 1 :roll: ), and thus can be used as a ship.


You do realize how ridiculously thin the wooden ship would have to be in order to hold 68 times it's own mass, right?

Let's assume the ship is a sphere for simplicity.

1800000cm^3 = 4/3 pie r^3

The sphere's radius in order to encompass 1800L would be 75.46 cm

The required surface area would be 4 pie r^2 or (4)(pie)(75.46^2) or 71555.6cm^2

Since the ship's density is still 1:

d=m/v 1 = 26400g (I was off by a factor of 10, btw)/(71555.6cm^3 * X)

X = .37cm or 37mm

So, the ship's hull would need to be 37mm (0.94 inches) thick to hold 1800L of volume.
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Postby Tiamo » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:17 pm

Yup, i do realize that. The amounts of resources needed for all bigger contraptions within Cantr are ridiculous.

Ever built a house with just 10 kg of stone? Or paved a 50 km long road with the same amount of stone?
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Postby NaruShadow » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:48 pm

Tiamo wrote:Yup, i do realize that. The amounts of resources needed for all bigger contraptions within Cantr are ridiculous.

Ever built a house with just 10 kg of stone? Or paved a 50 km long road with the same amount of stone?


A stone building actually requires 25,000 grams of stone. A stone extension requires only 10,000 grams, but must be built inside of a stone building. :wink:
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Postby the_antisocial_hermit » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:01 pm

You guys are putting too much thought into the game. >.<
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Postby Piscator » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:54 pm

No we're not. ^^ It's quite refreshing.

By the way, the density of humans is 1 too. They take exactly the same amount of space/weight capacity as any resource does, weighing 60 kg. This would make humans quite small though, with a volume of just 60 liters.


Where does it say the uniform density has to be 1kg/l?

probably air has a density that is not even worth mentioning


That could be right. Air can't be put in a container. So we have no means to know its density.
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Postby Doug R. » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:01 am

Piscator wrote:
By the way, the density of humans is 1 too. They take exactly the same amount of space/weight capacity as any resource does, weighing 60 kg. This would make humans quite small though, with a volume of just 60 liters.


Where does it say the uniform density has to be 1kg/l?


GranAttacker wrote:- Cantr doesn't have density(D) and this is simple. Get a object called barrel. It says it can storage 10kg. Water has the density of 1g/ml, so you could store 10Kg of water and the volume used would be of 10L. However, if you fill the barrel with iron, it will store the same 10Kg and the same 10L, ignoring that iron's density is 7x water's density, so it would use less volume. In a similar fashion, if you fill it with oil, it will be the same as filling it with water, even if oil would use much more volume since it has a lower density. And so goes on with stone, bricks, carrots, wheat, bread, wood etc...

Therefore, D is a constant for all matter. So it can be 1 (D=M/V, D=10kg/10L .: D=1kg/L) or zero.


It can't be zero, because that would mean that there is no mass either, which we know exists. One is just an easy number, since it's the density of water, but it could be any number, so long as it's uniform.
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