Discussion about butter

[Pilot]

Subject: Game changes - Announcements

New food recipes based on animal products and changes to some older recipes will be put on hold until GAB has time to more thoroughly discuss the principles and goals behind these implementations, because they may have a more radical impact in the game than intended.

Happy New Year!

[computaertist]

Pasting this in where I meant to put it the first time:

For the record, my posts so far about these changes being a bad thing were pure sympathy/empathy for those who genuinely don't like it. Most new expensive foods take a while to enter mainstream use, and foods dependent on milk and eggs especially because of how hard they are to get, but that doesn't make them useless forever. That huge industry will exists eventually.

For purely selfish reasons, I'd be all for the changes exactly as described. They'd do nothing but help me and mine. Oh, except one forest might not get any more meat pie or croissants, but, well, they have so much else to think about I'm pretty sure by the time it came to their attention a bit of amnesia about how they used to be made would be really easy to pull off.

(I did mean that about arduous offence, though. Any truly good God must be exceedingly offensive sometimes, but that's another matter.)

I also greatly appreciate all the work. I just have a nasty habit of forgetting to appropriately voice that praise until it's about something that I really, really want/like like more custom descriptions and other such opportunities for creative expression. (I sent Greek a big thank you PM for that, and only didn't post it publicly for fear I'd end up being one of the only people who immediately embraced the new mechanic to the exclusion of all else and it would be a big clue as to who I played.)

[Swingerzetta]

I've said in the past, and still feel this way, that croissants absolutely should require butter... So, I was willing to accept all changes as part of the price of changing croissants. Farming is an interesting profession in Cantr society, and while full-time dedication by at least two people in one of my character's towns results in a pretty good meat industry, I haven't actually seen dairy work out for anyone yet... I had assumed, though, that you all did your research and found that (once infrastructure is in place and the appropriate animals are successfully domesticated) making hay, butchering the excess offspring, milking, and making the milk into butter can all be balanced to produce a reasonable amount of the now-valuable item.

Really, to me, this sounds pretty fun... Creating a butter industry could be lucrative, and Complicated. It's something that our chars won't be able do to for years in their sleep, we'll have to wake them up, have them plan and employ team-work.

One thing that's intertwined in all of this, though, is that understanding the animal domestication system is difficult, even for me, who has farm workers as chars... Like, if they reproduce when I'm not looking and eat all their food so that one, or possibly more, 'can't find anything to eat', does that mean I'll have trouble getting milk from them? How much time will I have lost by not spending a day butchering? Perhaps tweaking this to make it more user-friendly (not simpler) would ease some of these butter pains.

[Friar Briar]

I was so looking forward to the addition of butter as proposed in the update. I kept that update on my front page up long after Jan. 15th passed.

Really, to me, this sounds pretty fun... Creating a butter industry could be lucrative, and Complicated. It's something that our chars won't be able do to for years in their sleep, we'll have to wake them up, have them plan and employ team-work.

Agreed. The way butter would have been implemented would have created such an infrastructural change to the game that societies would have to cooperate in order to prosper with it. I support this and still wish the changes to butter had happened.

P.S. Posting this late because I had a hard time finding the thread.

[Marian]

I support this and still wish the changes to butter had happened.

I agree, it would have opened up a lot of possibilities.

Perhaps if we all threaten to quit the game over it we'll get our way?

[*Wiro]

We could implement dairy-free butter and then Cantrians can invent the phrase "I can't believe it's not butter!"

[Marian]

We could implement dairy-free butter and then Cantrians can invent the phrase "I can't believe it's not butter!"

I know this was a joke but maybe olive oil could be used as a butter substitute for real.

Or at the very least there should be a requirement for eggs, or water, or something. I've been working with pastry dough IG and I can't get over the fact that it's literally just dry flour dumped in a bowl.