Instead of Whispering

[Doug R.]

Seko,

Are the provisions preventing the originator and recipient from overhearing their own dialog?

[Wveth]

This might stop some public sex, but when people move their conversations to notes, you'll have the same problem as there is with whispering now. There will be long, solid blocks of nothing but note-passing. What's the difference?

Er, yeah, it's not as easy, as Wiro said, but it'll still happen with anyone who wants to be completely private, then the newbies will pick up on it and... fft.

[Mars]

Big... NO, for this suggestion.

This will stop the communaction in large towns (30, 60, 100 and more characters).

[Arenti]

Big... NO, for this suggestion.

This will stop the communaction in large towns (30, 60, 100 and more characters).

I agree.

[Doug R.]

Most of the whispering I do is dialog that is not necessarily secret, just stuff that I know no one else is interested in. If someone overhears that, so what? I don't care. I think the impact of this will really limit itself to public sex acts and conspiracies.

The only time I've ever conspired in public, I posted out loud accidentally and got my character killed. This feature would have saved my character's life.

[Piscator]

Why would it? Private but not secret conversations could still be held. Who cares if someone overhears you bartering with a trader?

I'm not too enthusiastic about this implementation either, but I see its merits so I'm curious how it works out in the end.

[*Wiro]

The argument that it'll stop communication does not make sense at all. Not to me at least. It'll only allow for more communication. Just imagine what would happen if someone hears their wife talking to some trader, saying "Oh, Joe, I love you..." and there are hundreds of other examples.

[Wveth]

Damn Joe, always tryin' to steal mah woman.

[Mars]

The argument that it'll stop communication does not make sense at all. Not to me at least. It'll only allow for more communication. Just imagine what would happen if someone hears their wife talking to some trader, saying "Oh, Joe, I love you..." and there are hundreds of other examples.

Realy? First post on this topic:

Seems like lately people are mad at other people whispering -- have a feeling this has gone on for a while.

It would be nice if we could have a "project" of sorts, where it would work like this:

John requests to speak with you "Hey, can we talk?"
Accept/Reject (with an option to say something in rejection)

if Accept:

Town sees:

John speaks quietly to James
James speaks quietly to John

until they are done, and the town sees nothing else.

If reject:

Town sees:

John speaks quietly to James

nothing else.

If you accept the other persons request, the two of you are able to speak to others and to each other quietly (say until one of the two players logs off?) and see what each other says, but then your quiet whispering doesn't bug the whole town.

*Above proposal prompted by the STOP WHISPERING comment from an INNOCENT CONVO :p

[*Wiro]

Yes, but that is not the accepted suggestion. Read through the topic, what is accepted, is the fact that someones lines of whispers are overheard, not the suggestion suggested in the first post. I'll edit that.

[Arenti]

Now I think of this, it could bring more roleplay. That's always good.

[SekoETC]

Yes, Doug, there's no way of a person overhearing themselves or what was said to them.

And I very much doubt this is going to kill big towns. Even if it did, last time I check there were only three towns with more than 30 people so it wouldn't be that big a loss.

[Meem]

So just to make clear. I saw on the main page of logging in that some whispers will be said outloud on a whim. With the group coversations too be added or that's a no?

I just think it might be nice too, with all of that implemented that some characters are left out.

[Spazz]

DO NOT WANT!

I was never bothered by whispering, one bit, and don't see how it's so much of a problem that it needs to have a chance of being overheard. I don't even care about the public sex thing, and wouldn't care if they said it aloud. I care about this however, it makes the utility of whispering less useful, like say, when you're trying to point out a man who pillaged your town blind and didn't notice you to a group of people trying to bring him to justice. Such a thing would be said out of earshot of the target, logically, and yet, with this, it'd give him a chance to overhear.

If anything, I think there should at least be a high chance of knowing your whisper had been overheard when it happens, if not even who heard it.

But still, I'm 100% against this.

[SekoETC]

So just to make clear. I saw on the main page of logging in that some whispers will be said outloud on a whim.

No, whispers won't be said out loud on a whim. Every time someone would get the "You see X talking to Y." message, there is a 2% chance that it will be replaced with "You overhear X say to Y: `(The thing that was said)`". The chance is rolled separately for each listener. We tested in the test environment with 90 whispers and 168 listeners and the most people to overhear a whisper at one time was 7. Now there isn't a single town in Cantr with over 100 people (or at least wasn't when I last checked) so the most you can expect is 3-4 people. In most cases it will be 0.

If you for example ask someone to help you drag someone, there is 2% chance that the intended victim will hear it. 2%. That's very small. It makes no different if someone who's not involved happens to hear it, unless they would decide to help with the dragging. (Or they could alert the intended victim, but usually Cantrians are all for mob justice.)