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Postby SekoETC » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:55 pm

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(I) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

(A) marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction

Does the person have noticable impairments such as underuse or overuse of body gestures, and/or have trouble looking people in the eyes, and/or have few facial expressions, and/or have an odd posture?

I don't normally look people in the eyes, in fact I don't usually look at them at all while I'm speaking to them, instead I look at any small details in the environment that catch my attention. I tend to sit with my knees up and feel uncomfortable sitting normally in a chair. I'm not aware of my gesturing or facial expressions but I once saw myself on video and I was huddling and looked quite weird.

(B) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level

Does the person have a hard time forming friendships/relationships similar to the ones people their age do?

I've never had much friends. When I was younger, I tended to bond with one person at a time and I was very possessive of them. I felt jealous if the person spent time with other friends.

Also when I was in elementary school and other girls would come ring the doorbell while I was doing something, I didn't want to stop what I was doing because I want to be with friends when I choose to and otherwise I don't want them to bother me.

Also nowadays I may get stuck on the computer and not pay much attention to a friend that's visiting. Once I went to see a guy I'd found through a dating ad online and I spent like two or three hours playing on his computer while he did some other stuff, then we had tea and I played with his cats. We met like this twice. He said it was fun talking to me and we'd see again in the future. I invited him to my birthday party and he said maybe he would stop by. He never did and never contacted me after that.

Also one time I wanted to invite the bus driver to my birthday party, but I didn't see him until it was over so the card I gave to him had a date that had already passed. Then I was still waiting that he would come for coffee anyway but he never did.

Generally I have liked spending time with adults and never got along with kids of my own age, except for a couple of people. I was also friends with some kids that were younger than me. In kindergarten I was first just following the nannies around when we had to go out, then I befriended a girl who was two years younger than me. When I later saw her in elementary school and learned it was the same girl, I was surprised why she never came to talk to me but it never crossed my mind that I could go talk to her. Generally I don't know how to make friends or to start conversations, it's always the other person making initiative.

Online I might consider a person my friend because I see them in chat several times, but it might turn out that the person does not in fact know me because I haven't talked to them. I may have replied to something they said in public but they might not remember it because it was not significant to them.

(C) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people, (e.g.. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people

Does the person fail to point out things that might interest the people around them, and/or fail to show interest in things that interest other people, and/or fail to share things that might interest other people?

I'm not sure about point C. I do present my own objects of interest but might talk about things that the listeners don't care about and it takes me a while to realize that they don't understand or care about what I'm talking about. I don't know what to say if a person tells me what they are doing and I don't find the issue particularly interesting.

(D) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

Does the person fail to respond to other peoples emotions or attempts at socializing?

I do mainly respond to emotions but may misread them. As for attempts of socializing, it's partially covered by examples in point B.

(II) Restricted repetitive & stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

(A) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus

Usually when it comes to obsessions, my interest in games is mentioned.

(B) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals

Is the person inflexable to change in routines or rituals they engage in, which are not technically neccisary to engage in to complete a task, and/or preffer sameness, such as the same type of clothing, foods, etc?

I don't think I have ritual behaviour anymore. I used to have a severe dislike of buttons when I was a kid and also I remember one incident when I was wearing a pink college shirt and a skirt, and I was feeling hot, so my friend said I should take the shirt off, and I said I can't because then I would have to take the skirt off as well because the colors wouldn't match anymore.

Also I don't like eating meat that has the structure of meat (sinew, tiny veins, cartilage) but I'd consider that pretty normal.

I'm alright with wearing the same clothes until they start to stink or have obvious stains on them. On this semester I've worn the same jeans pretty much every day, and my Purdue hoodie.

Also, when I was a kid, I used to suck my thumb until I was 7 or 8 and I was also scratching at this scar on my forearm, which I'd gotten when I was 2. I did this even while asleep, scratching and sucking. If my parents would take my thumb out of my mouth, I would put it right back without waking up.

I have a general intolerance for irregularities on my skin, such as scabs and zits and will continue scratching at them until they're gone.

(C) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g. hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)

Does the person have a habit of doing something like flapping their hands, and/or twisting their hands or any other part of theor body, and/or rocking back and forth, and/or anything of that nature?

I have some when I'm nervous or agitated but I don't remember having that kind of stuff as a child, so I may have developed it due to other reasons.

(D) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

Does the person have an obsessive interest with a certain part or parts of an object or objects, for example, a spinning part?

I get distracted by movement and some details that stand out, for example if the fringe of a carpet is out of order then I can keep staring at it. If a table is on a checkered floor then the neighboring legs must be on different colored squares. There's something about chairs that are made of bent pieces of wood, I remember having a certain thought pattern several times when I encounter that kind of chairs but I can't remember it now because I'm not seeing that kind of a chair at the moment.

Criteria III, IV, V and VI seem like they won't require further explanation.
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Postby *Wiro » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:17 pm

Haha, I recognize myself in most of those points. Except for sucking my thumb and paying too much attention to little details. And the zits and stuff.
Other than that I also sit weird all the time (I do it on purpose, though... :P) and I unconsiously put fingers in my mouth. Lol, when writing this I noticed I was doing just that.

And umm... Hmmm... I know people who have asperger and they behave pretty normal. But then again, you'd have to be some weirdo with a hockeymask and a chainsaw and cut people's hands off and rape their wounds for me to think you're weird. :P

I used to befriend one specific girl, and we had lots of fun. But then she told me she loved me and then I just blurted out that I did as well. But I didn't. I just wanted to be friends. So then we ended up seeing eachother less everyday, and when we did we didn't talk about as much about personal things like we used to. And then I was stuck with none. But luckily I made friends at school (something I never did before :S) and started having fun with my friends a bit more. And slowly I started talking more with kids my age. I used to prefer having few friends, but lately I noticed that having friends with all kinds of different personalities and interests is much more fun. :)

Online I do the same as you do, but the difference is that they do recognize me. I am a little drama queen after all. :P

I hate taking the initiative to talk as well, so I'm glad my friends usually do that for me when they notice I'm quietly staring in front of me. :)

Soooo, Wiro has a little bit of autism as well. But apparently just a little.

Anyway, good luck getting everything solved out, Seko. I hope your family will be helping you. I know it can be a pain when having to do big things all alone.
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Postby Dudel » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:41 pm

Yeah that sounds familure.

Lets see...
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Point A: Figiting? Thats what my mother called it. Not being able to sit still. That is me! I can not and will not sit still.

Point B: Well I always say I hate people. Peers my own age I never got along with to well. I say I'm an 80 year old man yelling at kids to get of my grass in a 21 year old body.

Point C: Thats called being a d-bag and yeah thats me too.

Point D: Thats also called being a d-bag and yeah again thats me too.

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Point A: Same with video games or T.V. but both I go for days with no problems.

Point B: Um... Dudel is never in a hurry and refuses to rush for any reason? Um... Dudel does what Dudel does?

Point C: Can't sit in a chair 'properlly'. Um figiting again. I stand kinda weird. I have to chew all the time. Gum helps! Also I do go days without bathing or changing my cloths but unemployment will do that to ya. Also known as being lazy.

Point D: Well I do exactally what you do there Seko. But that goes with my almost ADHD diagnosis. We in this family do NOT believe in psycriactrick help and infact refuse to see them. It is a sham and most of those problems can be ignored or fixed.

I say BLAH! Your fine and thats a load of crap!
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Postby Mr. Black » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:49 pm

Blergh. I act exactly like this and I've been diagnosed an introvert without any discernible psychiatric disorder besides being weird. Sometimes doctors are stupid. Really, really stupid. I'm sure you're fine, anyway.
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Postby Andu » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:34 pm

SekoETC wrote:
(B) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals

Is the person inflexable to change in routines or rituals they engage in, which are not technically neccisary to engage in to complete a task, and/or preffer sameness, such as the same type of clothing, foods, etc?

I don't think I have ritual behaviour anymore. I used to have a severe dislike of buttons when I was a kid and also I remember one incident when I was wearing a pink college shirt and a skirt, and I was feeling hot, so my friend said I should take the shirt off, and I said I can't because then I would have to take the skirt off as well because the colors wouldn't match anymore.


It is normal to have "rituals" as a kid, and they tend to fade of as you grow up. They are a part of growing up and learning.
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Postby Comy » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:25 pm

What's up, French final? Yeah, you, the one I haven't studied for. At all.
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Postby Dudel » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:05 pm

Comy wrote:What's up, French final? Yeah, you, the one I haven't studied for. At all.



Sounds like a pain in the sphincter.
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Postby Rebma » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:33 pm

Hey Seko, I'm gonna admit I skimmed through your post because ..well..I don't feel like reading tons tbh. Anyways, does it run hand in hand with OCD? The reason I ask is because I have OCD, and I do the thing where I'l pick at zits, or scabs, or any other abnormality on my body till its gone.

Just wondering.
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Postby Piscator » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:34 pm

(I) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

(A) marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction

Does the person have noticable impairments such as underuse or overuse of body gestures, and/or have trouble looking people in the eyes, and/or have few facial expressions, and/or have an odd posture?


If I don't look into peoples eyes that's usually because I don't want to see them looking at ME. I have no problem with reading peoples emotions off their faces (which seems to be real problem with Aspergers), but I'm uncomfortable with people looking at me or expecting me to say something. It's much easier for me to have a conversation while playing cards or if another person is present. Or online obviously. To sum it up, bodily presence is rather distracting than helpful for me. I don't know if that counts.

I also noticed that I use facial expressions very much the same as I use emote icons. At least when I'm nerveous.

(B) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level

Does the person have a hard time forming friendships/relationships similar to the ones people their age do?


I never had (and still don't have) many friends either. Actually I could hardly name anyone I didn't met at school or university or online.

I don't think that's a valid criterion though. If you're eight years old and interested in chemistry and astronomy it's damn hard to find anyone in your own age who shares your interests. People playing with toy cars were just lame. ;) No wonder that your social skills stay underdeveloped if you have no chance to use them.

I still have to force myself to go to parties or meetings of any kind, although I know that I'll enjoy it.

Generally I don't know how to make friends or to start conversations, it's always the other person making initiative.


Same here. I even loathe having to call somebody on the telefone. Or intrude on someone elses privacy in a different manner. Talking with a stranger sitting at the next table, unthinkable.

Online I might consider a person my friend because I see them in chat several times, but it might turn out that the person does not in fact know me because I haven't talked to them. I may have replied to something they said in public but they might not remember it because it was not significant to them.


That's a general problem, I assume. I'm always very happy when it turns out that someone I consider a friend online does think the same about me.


(C) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people, (e.g.. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people

Does the person fail to point out things that might interest the people around them, and/or fail to show interest in things that interest other people, and/or fail to share things that might interest other people?


That's a rather dumb point in my opinion. When you notice that things that interest you bore other people (and vice versa) you'll sooner or later stop trying to tell them about it. Just being interested in different things is not necessarily a form of autism.

(D) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

Does the person fail to respond to other peoples emotions or attempts at socializing?


Not so much a fail to respond as a fail to keep it going.

(II) Restricted repetitive & stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

(A) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus


Well, I tend to be interested in rather uncommon things and I guess I show a good deal of obsession, but I assume that's hardly news.

(B) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals

Is the person inflexable to change in routines or rituals they engage in, which are not technically neccisary to engage in to complete a task, and/or preffer sameness, such as the same type of clothing, foods, etc?


I don't think I have any rituals, but I like stability. I'm not good with uncommon social situations.

I'm alright with wearing the same clothes until they start to stink or have obvious stains on them. On this semester I've worn the same jeans pretty much every day, and my Purdue hoodie.


That's a rare quality in a woman. :) I'm pretty much the same.

I also have problems with changing my style. I think I only had two different haircuts in all my life and I'm pretty much wearing the same types of clothes since my schooldays.

I have a general intolerance for irregularities on my skin, such as scabs and zits and will continue scratching at them until they're gone.


Hah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
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Postby Dudel » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:04 pm

I HATE THE TELEPHONE! Agree with you Piscator!

Then again I have a lot of those 'symtoms' but I've actually decided to turn them into something posotive such as my Dudeisms.

Dudel's friends can be labeled on one hand.

Online friends on the other.

Then again I don't like the word friend because its used incorectally.

I would say I have many aquantances but few friends.
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Postby Piscator » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:31 pm

Yeah, I noticed that the word "friend" is used inflationary and I usually use it very carefully. Same thing with "love" and "hate". On the other hand, what the heck... I still can say "close friend" if I have to differentiate.
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Postby Comy » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:47 am

Dudel wrote:Sounds like a pain in the sphincter.


More like rape. French raped me hard. And right before French raped me, History did. They probably went out for coffee afterward to exchange stories and chat.

But now I have a French vanilla cappuccino, so I feel better.

And also, those were my last two finals, so I should feel a lot better when that realization hits me.
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Postby Rebma » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:23 am

*disclaimer:the following may contain a positive girlie reaction. Read at your own discretion*

*Jumps up and down on the thread excitedly* Woooooooo!! I win I win I win I win. He called!!!!!

*does the equivalent of the happy dance(see:Baseketball)* All this nonchalance has seriously paid off, and he wants me to come over, and he wants to come meet my parents!! WOo! Woo! Woo!

Happyhappyhappyhappyhappy!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :oops: :D
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Postby NaruShadow » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:31 am

I think she's finally gone off the deep end...

*he sighs and hefts a rock, approaching her from behind*

Guess we'll have to put her outta her misery... :cry:

haha nahh, I couldn't hurt Amber =P
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Postby chase02 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:15 am

Rebma19 wrote:*Jumps up and down on the thread excitedly* Woooooooo!! I win I win I win I win. He called!!!!!


yayayayayayayayayayayayayayayay!

ok, I'm done. ;)

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