Religion

[KVZ]

And, the cosmological principal? It's all about God's existence!!

Yeah, believe in your matrix then with your "god", there is no god even in that, if he was he forgot about the whole thing very long ago or he is allready dead... there only can be a "bug" in that code, but no "god". In my Polish god = bóg = bug, and I can change "ó" to "u" any time. It reads the same.

It is much easier to belive in Aliens and UFO for me, then in any "god", even I can believe in Däniken, that religions was created because of Aliens, which were called gods in past, and they even could made process evolution of humans going faster by genetic enegineering, but not "god" bullshit. You can go to your "paradise" with your theories about god, but do not convice those who do not believe in that bullshit, because you do not have any arguments, and science is against you.

And simple, any religion is just a much bigger SECT which is trying to wash a brain of good freethinkers without any effect. That's all. I can make the same religion bullshit for brainwash someone, but why I have to manipulate someone like that???

And, the cosmological principal? It's all about God's existence!!

LMAO!!! Did you even read that? And I am not sure if you can use "!!", but only "!" or "!!!", otherwise it is punctuation error. At least in Polish Yeah, I am mean

[Jack Dudeman]

Not that I believe in the stories in the bible, but since someone was interested:

2 Kings 2: 23-25

New International Version... the one that I was taught growing up. And to tell me that I will never understand or believe in god is just silly, because as I stated earlier, I used to be a preachy young man who attended church all too regularly.

As for nonbelievers going to hell... if there's a heaven, there must be a hell. And if heaven is reserved for the believers, then everyone who doesn't believe will go to hell. That's logic in it's purest form.

To Joshua Monkey and Nalaris, I'd just like to point out to everyone that the two polls that you posted on this forum don't even offer an option for those of us who don't believe in any religion. That's how warped your views are. When you were making up the polls, you didn't even think for a second that there might be people out there thinking for themselves.

On a side note, my logic is only flawed when you are too blind to use reason. And to say that god answers prayers of those who truly believe... prayer cannot be proven at all, whatsoever. To try to prove the power of prayer is inane. By the way, people that are brainwashed don't know that they're brainwashed.

[Dee]

@KeVes.. First of all, try talking without offending anyone, because all you have done so far is offending me and a bunch of people who are like me... Now, I can take it from anyone that does not believe in God but still respects my beliefs, but for you to come and tell me that "God" is bullshit, that's just not acceptable, and if it shows anything at all, then it shows that YOU are the one who got brainwashed. Got it?

So, next time try to be more respectful and do not offend me or my beliefs, alright? Because, seriously, everyone knows that if you don't have strong beliefs or proofs then you just go around and open that bad mouth of yours!!


It's not just mean, it's very rude and I really won't accept or even reply to someone who's talking like that, and my precious beliefs won't be put in a thread that's full of YOUR words!!!!!

[KVZ]

You are weird Dee... No offence, but I can tell everything I want about any religion and that is my freedom of faith and my freedom of opinon, and you cannot interfere. For me it is bullshit, for you not. That is all. Just live with that, and do not try to convert me like you trying. OK? Because you just showing that I have a right doing that.

For example, you can just say that all Atheists are dumbasses, commies, and so on, and I will not be offended, but I will just get my point about you. I know that I am very harsh for those who believe, but I have a right to act like that after my personal experiences, and that is not your bussines. OK? And taking everything about religion so personally like you do is very poor attitude you know?

[Dee]

Yes probably I am taking it personally because my relegion is my way of life. And you have no right to disrespect me or my relegion, you can say you don't believe in it all you want, even prove that it is wrong, I do not mind, what I mind is you disrespecting it, because by doing so, you are disrespecting me and my way of thinking and I cannot accept that.

[KVZ]

EDIT: Sorry Dee, I do not wanted to be so "RUDE" and my apologizes, but I do not wanted to hurt yours so precious beliefs for which you have a right too, but I just expresed my opinion in very impulsive way.

...but for your information I am in Prayers Dept. and I can always listen your prayers Just kidding, no offence, really... I am just weirdo... ;]

Edit2:
Anyway... Do not you think that you are too much fundamentalism in what you say? "Disrespect" is very strong word Like all those religious fanatics do...

[Dee]

Not so strong when you go around saying that God is "bullshit"!

[KVZ]

Just because I use that word against EVERYTHING I do not believe. I was not intented to offend you, as I not suspected that you will take this so personally. In Polish I just use word "bzdura" which means:

Tłumaczenie: BZDURA
N NONSENSE; KIBOSH; BUNKUM; HUMBUG; PIECE OF NONSENSE; ROT; RUBBISH; TRASH; BAGATELLE; TRIFLE; TRIVIALITY; BUNCOMBE

I hope that this word is less offendable than "bullshit"... Especialy in that less offendable context... without rubbish or trash... OK?

EDIT: and I spelled it wrong, I mean that talking about god is nonsense for me, but not god at all... I do not belive in god, so calling him in anyway is nonsense for me... Do you see?

[Antichrist_Online]

Right, a point from me, because I've read this entire thread and feel I should say this. I believe in different Gods that you do (note the plural), these are not 'good' or 'evil', completely neutral and independent of each other. That's my personal belief. It is also my belief that ORGANISED Religion is just a tool for a few to force power on other people. If whatever gods there may or may not be exist, then surely they'd want people to freely decide to believe in them, and follow what those beliefs lead to, not the system built by men to propagate a system of beliefs that is just as likely to be incorrect as any they persecute.

I see no problem with my Gods in science, I can equate them to specific sets of numbers in the Goldilocks zone, to be precise dispite knowing evolution and it's theory (this may shock some) I believe that the decisions are all random but there was a 'God of Evolution' so to say which set the random process going, but that is just me. That 'God' could be a metaphysical being or a piece of random quantum coding caused by the big bang, which my brain has to personify to grasp (think Super Paws. Schrödinger's cat).

I'd recommend the books 'Flatterland' by Ian Stewart and 'Figments of Reality' by Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen for anyone wanting to understand a little more why I take this perspective.

And like I said the rule all religions say and never follow is the most important one "Don't harm other people, as far as possible".

[KVZ]

I once believed that there are MANY gods, even that each human with true soul have his own personal god, but then once someone dismissed my god, and then I started to dismiss other possible gods and then even mine. Becuase that faith not gived anyting good for me, only pain. Thats how I become the Atheist, and thats why I quote Stephen Roberts words like in first post on 33 page.

[Pie]

Anti-You know what? I don't belieav that organised religions are evil. RELIGIONS THAT INVOLVE THEMSELVES IN POLITICS are "evil". Also... "IF" there was a god, a god of compation and mercy and kindness.... wouldn't he want that person to come into heaven? Why would god NOT want you to believ in him, "IF" he is real, why would he wan't anything less than the best for you? why wouldn't he wan't you to belieav in him? why wouldn't he wan't you to belieav in the truth?

Also, You find no fault with your gods in science... why not jehova in science?
Now, the big bang... What exactly is the thery for that? I beleav that its that there was a spek of consentrated matter wich exploded...... I don't really think that that's phisically posible.first off... how could the univers ever even get that small? Now... lets look at this scientificly, what we know right now. how did this partical of matter explode? Lets see.... Magnetic force? No. If it was magnetic, that it wouldn't have ever been able to explode. what other ways are there? gravity? heh. If gravity was the reason, than why isn't the univers pulling together right now? AND, gravity would have taken a very long time, making evolution imposible. what other reasons are there..... I wouldn't know. Anyone els have any ideas?

Keves- you know what? the bible, in acts, actually sais to study up on something before beleaving it. but, unfortunatly... my mom isn't awake to tell me were it is... and it would take to long to look up in the bible.... so.... eh.

[Antichrist_Online]

Why not Jehova in science? The answer lies in my gods. I worship personification of natural forces not a beardy bloke who makes decisions (Yes this is Hyperboule) my gods are blind watchmakers, Nature and Death mainly. I never say they cause anything, rather they are caused by things.

Right now the big bang. There are four forces Pie, and a combination of thesed caused a time-space curve to develop, resulting in a 'white hole' which generated all the matter in the universe. Elecro-magnetism can be a replusive force, as can gravity (but only in very rare cases, super cooling and super fluidity been examples). Super Fluidity is actually a highly likely reason as to why a concentrated point of matter would explode. Also matter is not made up of as much as you think, over 99.9% of it is nothing what so ever. If you collapse everything down it won't be as big as people think. Other key points are we are not the universe, we're in the KNOWN universe, after the hubble distance we can't 'see' anything at all, for all we know, the matter could have came from out there and exploded in this region, and how does a slowly expanding universe (which we are in) make evolution impossible? Evolution takes a long time compared to the life of an indivitual but a tiny amount of time compared to the existance of the known universe.

[Pie]

hmm... then this is a question I have. Metal... minerals... they were here at the begining of time, corect? So heres a question, does carbon dating date metal older than the bones of animals? whats the story with that?

Also, you have herd of an atom bomb? now, this is a very simple thing to make. simple, but expencive. you just need uranium, and some explosives. Compress the uranium enough, and you have a nuclear explotion. If the entyer univers was compressed to the size of a speck of dust..... well... I think all the uranium would have exploded long before then.

also.... http://www.stephen-knapp.com/another_cr ... e_dust.htm

All that... way over my head... maby you'll understand it...

[formerly known as hf]

100% of all homosexuals who went to therapy for their homosexually became heterosexual.

Please, show me some evidence for this claim.

Please do not start throwing around very mis-guided, just plain innaccurate, and frankly offensive 'statistics'. Someone might well read that, an think it is well-informed, when it has no basis.

[formerly known as hf]

And please refrain from personal assaults. You can make someone else feel as bad as you want, that's not going to change the world.

Practice what you preach. You have peddled some deeply offensive and hurtful things here.

You are free to voice your opinions. I would not want to stop you, no matter how much I disagree with them. In turn, expect that others will voice opinions which you, yourself, may disagree with and find offensive or hurtful.