Huge Capital Rules Breach

[Schme]

I hate to keep bothering you guys, but this is becoming completly rediculous. We really really need your help here now.

Alright, what happened is the newspawn guy called "Jacques Lefort" in Romov (French Area) showed up one day, and he sat around a spoke a little while. He then stopped speaking, and didn't say or do anything for a long time.

Then, today, all of a sudden, he steals EVERYTHING in the town without warning. He loaded absolutly everything onto a boat (one he did not build) that was docked and took off. This is completly out of character, and this guy is very obviously just bored.





1423-5: -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport quitte le quai, partant de Romov.

1423-5: Jacques Lefort comme un débutant vous blesse avec un(e)crossbow. Vous perdez 11 pour cent de vos forces. Vous de façon maladroite avez évité 7 pour cent de blessures avec votre iron shield.

1423-5: Vous voyez Taita Savon, a woman in her fifties de façon efficace blesser Jacques Lefort avec un(e) crossbow.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort comme un débutant blesser Taita Savon, a woman in her fifties avec un(e) crossbow.

1423-5: Vous voyez Taita Savon, a woman in her fifties ramasser (un) (une) (du) (de la) a silver ring with a small diamond du corps de Richard Seguin, a man in his fourties

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de Hôtel de Ville.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans Hôtel de Ville.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de pierre.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de pierre.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de pierre.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de pierre.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de pierre.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de argile.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de Le Duovélo.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans Le Duovélo.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de Prison de Romov.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans Prison de Romov.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de pierre.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de pierre.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de viande.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de plumes .

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de orge.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de oeufs.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de nickel.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de sel.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de cocons de soie.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de fourrure .

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort prendre de coton.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de Hôtel de Ville.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans Hôtel de Ville.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de Hôtel de Ville.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans Hôtel de Ville.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort quitter la place centrale de Romov, et entrer dans -Houtbedrijf "De Hakkende Bijl"- Transport.

1423-5: Vous voyez Jacques Lefort entrer dans Romov, en provenance de Hôtel de Ville.

1423-5: Vous êtes arrivé(e) à Romov.







But he's completly destroyed the town and anything it could have been.

I know it sounds like I'm bitchin.g about a pirate attack, but see, this guy was not a pirate. He is just a character the person created to see how much he could get away with stealing (including things that would not be useful to the character, such as clay.)


Please help us out here. It's really very important. Otherwise, that region is pretty much done.


If you could perhaps do something about it, we'd all be very grateful.

Thanks.

[TatteredShoeLace]

This sounds like one of those tough luck kind of posts.

People decide to get up and become thieves sometimes, he didn't break any rules as far as game mechanics goes. He did not use multiple people or OOC planning.

I've lost a galleon to a game bug and got an "Oh well."

So here's yours. Oh well.

Sorry

[Schme]

But he's just another one of those disposable characters. People don't just get up and decide to become thieves, not if it's an actually devoloped character.

We're the only people his character could know or knows to be in existence, so for him to attack them, steal from them, alienating himself from the only people in existence (too him) doesn't make sense.

[deadboy]

because he stole a boat which you cannot catch him in its not even being suicidal either, yeah all i can offer you is a bad luck

[WojD]

Why?

Everybody can become crazy... Sorry - this is your fault. Why ship was been open, why goods was been on the ground - not in locked building?

I know - you have diferent tradition in these locations - but at least ships should be locked

[Schme]

There are not many french players or characters. Metal is extremly hard to come by. Therefore, there are no buildings with locks.

The boat belonged to a dead German character he came around.


And yes, his character is suicidal. He doesn't know that any other people exist, and he's heading off with a boatload of stone into an endless water having no way of knowing other land exists. Nobody ever told him anything, those characters don't know much and what they do know they didn't tell him, as he wasn't alive long enough and barely spoke at all.


What you have to understand is that this is not really a character stealing things. He has no personality, no goals, no anything. It's just a guy seaing how much he could steal.

What could Jacques, as a character, possible hope to accomplish by doing this? Nothing. He doesn't even know what a boat is, and he's sailing on one to nowhere away from the only people in the world (as for as he knows) with a bunch of goods that can never (from what he knows) ever ben any use to him.

Furthermore, you must remember that to be going somewhere with that boat, he's going to have to have a destination in mind, which his character cannot, as he does not know of any. Sure, he could sail blindly, but from his character's prospective, he's sailing into endless ocean. Even had the other characters had the inclination to, they could not have told him about anything about sailing or sailing to places, as they know nothing of it.

That is most definitly a breach of the capital rules. It's not his "character" going "crazy" or "suddenly deciding to go into a life of crime".

As for as his character knows, there is no possible way anything can ever be gained from doing this. Nothing. It is, from what his character would be able to see, suicidal.

[deadboy]

sorry but still all i can offer is a "hard luck, better luck next time"

[Sabsi]

The situation is not the same as in any location in the English world... there won't be a next time because we don't have the slightest chance of getting back the things that were stolen. The whole city is populated by two people (plus some sleepers) and even if the third person wouldn't have decided to steal everything and betray everyone he knew it would have been hard enough to build up the city. And it surely isn't our fault that the person keeping all the keys to the vehicles and buildings and all the important stuff belonged to a player who is banned right now. All of this couldn't have happened without the OOC event of banning a certain player. It is possible that the player of Jacques got knowledge of the banning through the forums and kept his character quiet just waiting for this opportunity. And this would be a CR breach in my eyes. Schme is totally right that it was absolutely out-of-character for Jacques to do what he did and we really need help to not let an underpopulated area die out completely because of OOC reasons.

[Doug R.]

While I don't see how you can determine if something is OOC for another player's character, unless you can read their mind, I do think that the OOC circumstances regarding the banning should open a door to getting action considered, even if it is just a small crack...

[SekoETC]

Sorry but maybe you'll just need to face it that the area is dead. The population is too low to survive so either you start again on stone age level or be extinct.

[Schme]

I and Sabsi have tried very hard to explain the situation. None of the people who have looked into this have the slightest incling of how things are.

No one is giving us a fair chance.

I find it idiotic that the French Language area is to be nothing more than a bunch of robbers stealing from each other. This is ludicrous. If that is to be the case, there is absolutly no point in continuing anything.


I must say, this is extremly unfair. Were this to have happened in a place where your characters played, you might figure it out.


It took the character who founded the city about twenty years to do it. I would not mind if it were destroyed by someone in character, someone actually doing things in a sensical manner.

But to have it be destroyed by an ignorant new character who has only been alive not even a few days is rediculous and against the rules.


Normally I would have posted this in the Suicidal Newspawn thread, but it takes days for people to respond to things posted there.
It's very troublesome.

Seeing as this is a game, I don't think it will be worth our time to have to rebuild everything because of somebody breaking the rules and the reluctance of others to enforce them. Would you play a game of basketball where the others players were allowed to punch you? Of course not. You wouldn't be losing because of lack of skill, you'd be losing due to cheap idiocy. No fun.

If something is not done about this, the French area is done.

[SekoETC]

Even if this thing was erased, it would only happen again. It Is doomed. Actually the whole language area thing sucks pretty bad, since a community needs a certain amount of people to succeed.

[Schme]

You don't understand, Seko.

We aren't complaining because our town was destroyed by a thief, we are complaining because our town was destroyed by a cheater through cheating.

Were he a legitimate character, then sure, we'd be pissed, but we wouldn't have any right to complain.

But he is not.

[Sho]

This doesn't sound like cheating. Bad RP, most likely, but not cheating, as this was one character working alone without any obvious OOC influence. It's not even a suicide, since he's very obviously going to get away with this.

Like with the other situation you reported recently, this will just have to be handled (or given up on) IC.

[SekoETC]

Schme. My town was nearly destroyed by cheaters, or at least somebody who used double characters for dragging. They killed my character's lover. Nearly everyone she knew was killed. And then I hear there was CR-breaching allowed. For a while I toyed with the idea of asking the PD bring this unjustly murdered lover back to life, or at least let him spawn there again. It is possible, we know that Jos placed himself characters to Quillanoi when the game was still new. But I never got to asking since the answer would've been no anyway. Everybody was murdered by pirates and the town was looted off nearly everything of value. But how about this, it still got on it's feet and is now doing better than it ever was before the unfortunate incident. Not saying that the same will happen to your town but you can always try. And world is not always fair or wise or logical.