Cantr II Discussion Forum

A ship docked to biggest town in Polish Zone. Its name's "Czarine Catherine". And captain of it says that she comes from Stalingrad - a new town on other part of island.

Is this acceptable?

Why should it not be acceptable for someone to sail with a ship, dock at a town and tell where he comes from?

Americans... don't know anything outside US borders...

Okay, maybe you don't know Russia and Poland. What if this ship's name is "George Washington" and he says he comes from New York?

Well, there are a number of people who name their characters after real people, and while that doesn't get them points for originality it isn't a CR breach. And I assume the same goes for place names. If those two happen to coincide I fail to see that being a CR breach, as he wouldn't be referring to the REAL city but the Cantr one.
Oh, and though I'm not from the U.S., I found your comment about Americans insulting. There are many Americans that know a great deal about the rest of the world. Your generalization is tantamount to a kind of racism. I suspect T-shirt knows about Russia and Poland, and "Stalingrad". He probably just doesn't see the problem as he assumes naming people and things after real people and things is acceptable, which I believe it is. One of the most famous Cantrians is Thomas Hobbes...

Fleegle wrote:Oh, and though I'm not from the U.S., I found your comment about Americans insulting. There are many Americans that know a great deal about the rest of the world. Your generalization is tantamount to a kind of racism. I suspect T-shirt knows about Russia and Poland, and "Stalingrad". He probably just doesn't see the problem as he assumes naming people and things after real people and things is acceptable, which I believe it is. One of the most famous Cantrians is Thomas Hobbes...

While it is typical that Americans don't care about what is going on in most of the rest of the country, let alone world, I would submit that Americans are among the highest educated individuals in the world, due to manditory public education and the availability of college educations to any idiot that can fill out a FAFSA. The fact that many students that are admitted to universities can't write an essay and don't know precisely where their capital is notwithstanding, they eventually learn these things before they get out of the University. A bachelors' degree is so common in the US that having two of them means absolutely nothing unless they are in business or science of some sort. Because ANYONE can get a degree in history or poli sci in the United States, unlike in most other places in the world where attendance at higher education institutions is restricted to only the very best, and the vast majority of people end up going right into the work force or going into vocational school to learn how to become better workers.

Those of us who ARE in School and who DO know how to compose an essay and who our 16th President was DO pay attention to world Affairs. We know enough to know that Stalingrad is nowhere near Poland, that its called Volgograd now (as it was traditionally before the man whose name wasn't even Stalin had it renamed it after the name he took), and that it would be rather impossible for a ship to be launched from Volgograd, as this area is landlocked, but if it could get out of there by River, it would have to float around the entirety of Europe, because the river that flows by Volgograd empties into the Black Sea, not the Baltic Sea.

And while we're on the topic, the use of the term "Americans" is disingenuous, because you indict the population of the entire western Hemisphere West of the Atlantic Ocean and east of the Pacific Ocean. If you want to slur people from the United States, come up with a term a little more original than "Americans" because anyone who knows anything knows that the United States is not all of America, nor does our cultural composition reflect anything like the VAST majority of the Americas.

Sheesh...

I agree with 2nd and 3rd paragraph, but 1st is so... typical to, hmm..., people who live in United States of America.

Do you really think that US is the only country with mandiroty public education? And I heard a lot about level of colleges and other schools in US. Not quite good things, believe me.

However this is very OT and will not continue this discussion because of lack of english language fluency. But I guess I know US better than you know Poland.

On topic: you know who Stalin was. So is it still acceptabe to use one of the biggest dictator and murderer in a name of town? And if somebody call village Hitlertown - still OK?

marol wrote:On topic: you know who Stalin was. So is it still acceptabe to use one of the biggest dictator and murderer in a name of town? And if somebody call village Hitlertown - still OK?

I tend to agree with Fleegle...

Fleegle wrote:Well, there are a number of people who name their characters after real people, and while that doesn't get them points for originality it isn't a CR breach. And I assume the same goes for place names. If those two happen to coincide I fail to see that being a CR breach, as he wouldn't be referring to the REAL city but the Cantr one.

Fleegle wrote:One of the most famous Cantrians is Thomas Hobbes...

Lots of people use names of fictional characters or RL people so.. I would imagine that it would be the same thing in regards to places and objects... so yes, I would think that Hitlertown would be an acceptable though no great or admirable town name...

I have become an American!

Actually I am not; I live closer to Poland then the States.

If people in a town call that town Stalingrad, that's their choice. There is a rather well-known city in Russia that was known as Stalingrad some years ago and where history was written in the winter of '43. So calling a town Stalingrad, can be out of admiration for Stalin, but could as well be out of pride for the country's past to memorise the enemy that was beaten.

As far as this 'breach' goes... just because someone says something doesn't make it so.

Sav

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(Yeah, okay, I guess this is spam, shutting up now...)

Thanks for your opinions, guys.

I think it would be nice to add to this discussion that in Polish this name can actually mean something else... and that seem s to be the explanation given by the people who came up with the name to any visitiors:


"stal" is the Polish word for steel
"grad" is the Russian counterpart for Polish "grod" which means ~town.

The name could be then explained as "the town of steel" or Steeltown.

Which I find nothing wrong with.

Yep, but city name's Stalingrad, not Stalgrad. And "Stalin" means in Polish nothing but Josef Stalin. More - why somebody uses russian word "grad", instead of polish word "gród"?

It's obvious that origin of that name is russian city Stalingrad. If not - then how do you explain "Czarine Catherine" ship then? Come on...

Agreed...
The thing with steel can be nothing more then an excuse for using this name.
And my private opinion is that this name shouldn't have found it's way to Cantr.

Still I find it fair to explain the language conotations so that ALL the facts can be considered here.

Maybe this is not CRB, but it is very bad habbit and very bad RP. Do you know guys how confussing is Stalin for many of Poles? Many of them hate him more than Hitler. And players involved in this town have habit to give their chairs Russian names.