All Turkish Players are tired about Swedish Players CRB's

[kinvoya]

That ship was a Trojan Horse. A very well known warfare tactic.

If the ship's name was in incorrect Turkish that should have made the townspeople suspicious. You can't have it both ways. Either they fooled you because you weren't cautious enough or they fooled you because their trick worked. If my char saw a ship named the "Bird of Sea Go" or "Boat for Enjoy of" she would be quite suspicious. This may have been a minor CRB but he still didn't get it right.

[Neva]

I want make it clear. "Çabukluk" is not meaningless like "Bird of Sea Go", but it means "rapidity".

It's a good name for a ship, but it's not an easy word to learn from IC dictionaries.

I want also make it clear this is not the first CRB they did to us. They also created spy characters before, it was a CRB too and they punished by PD for that i think. All of this characters dissapeard in time, without leaving their dead bodies.

Please visit the link in 2 page of this thread, posted by SCUBA. They also know what they did and try to cover it up with jokes.

[kinvoya]

"Bird of Sea Go" is not really meaningless. I meant it as an example of how someone unfamiliar with English might say 'Seabird' or 'Seagoing Bird.'

I had the impression that the word they used for the name of the ship was somehow awkward or not used in the proper context just as the English word "Rapidity" would not usually be used as a ship's name.

[meddah]

Maybe "rapidity" is not a good name for an English ship, but "çabukluk" is a good name for a Turkish ship.

Ship could be made by Turkish characters and would be a proper name.

They fooled our characters, because they used an OOC name. And it was a proper name for a Turkish Ship.

They also confessed, it was a CRB.

This is not about war tactics. Our characters aren't victims of a clever war tactic. They are victims of a cheat made by Swedish Players.

[Pie]

I think rapidity is a good name for an english ship. but that's me.

I for one think that it's OK for that person to use an online translator, for he was taught turkish by that other guy. but that's just me.

they confessed it was a crb?

[SCUBA]

I do not know turkish, but my guess is that Cabakluk kan be translated with both "Rapidity" and "The Rapidity". If that is the case, I understand that Cabakluk would be a good name as "The Rapidity" is.

The "confession" was that Cabakluk was named with OOC info. If that is a CRB, a borderline case or no CRB at all is up to PD to deside.

My guess is that it is a borderline case. As SekoETC wrote, the rules are shady concerning bilingual characters, and Onsalar, the character that named Cabakluk, was a bilingual character, a swedish character, grown up in an all turkish enviroment. Maybe even more shady in the tame the boat got its name.

PD will also have to deside who to punish if they find out it is a CRB, as the player naming it with OOC info is no longer playing.

The characters now using Cabakluk in the war, comes from four different groups. I hope I don't say to much now. 1, recruters that Onsalar recruted in swedish mainland. 2, refugees from the turkish slughters of all swedes, that Onsalar met in swedish mainland. 3, newspawns from the first part of the war. 4, refugees that lived in refugee camp close to turkish mainland.

Onsalar died before take off from swedish mainland. So if PD whant to punish some characters in any way? Should it be group 1 and 2 that were part of building the boat, but not naming it. (I think some were recruted before Cabakluk was built and some after, and I dont know if all, or just parts of the now living members in group 1 and 2 were recruted before or after Cabakluk was built)

(Yes, my character is in one of the 1 and 2 groups)

Or should also the other groups be punished? Just for beeing part in using Cabakluk? How could using it be a CRB? If the name of the boat would have been an animal name instead, i think it was çita (geopard), that was first the idéa? Wouldn't the effect have been the same?

Is it more a CRB to us a boat named çabakluk than çita? Regardless how the boat was named. Would more turkish characters have been alive today if the boats name would have been çita? I think not.

One of the characters on the boat now has 16 marks on his/her weapon. I think all 16 would have been there even if the boat would have been named çita. And I hope that when it is 40 marks on that weapon, we still love this game and also the turkish players do. Maybe turkish character at that time live somethere else and not on the shore of the waters Cabakluk still sails. :wink:

[kinvoya]

I seriously doubt that the PD will punish any characters over this incident. I don't think they ever do that. Most likely, if an active player (or players) is suspected of committing a CRB they will be contacted and warned to stop. Then they will be watched and if they continue to cheat they (the player) will be banned. This doesn't happen often and only after clear warnings and if there is much evidence to support it.

This process takes a fairly long time since it involves PD members reading through lots and lots of character activity to try to determine what is going on.

I'm not on PD but from reading the forums and from my own experiences of making accusations of CRB and having them made against me this is how I think it works.

This can be frustrating for the players involved who might even loose characters while waiting. It's part of the Cantr world and many, many other players have experienced similar situations. In fact, it seems like everytime some group pulls off a successful attack on another community there are accusations of CRB. Sometimes horrible things happen to innocent characters.

[Liljum]

If you would see that as a confession?

A player that dosen't play Cantr anymore have named that ship by OCC means. And by this you all whant the whole army dead.

If the army would have changed ships after the first battle to one of the confiscated or that the ship would have had a proper IC turkish name you all would still whining, screaming and kicking like my two year old daughter because of that the Swedish Liberation Army has a tactic that you haven't seen before and trying to stop a IC war OCCly that the turkish characters started by the slaughter of all swedish characters.

If you diden't whant the war to come to the turkish islands then you should either have made sure that no swedish characters could flee back to the swedish islands or never have played out the slaughter at all. In this case it's ONE refugee that started up the army and several more turkish born characters also came to the swedish islands and join the army. At the point when the army left the swedish islands about half the army contained soldiers that was born on the turkish islands. And only a very small part of the army today where born on the swedish islands.

The tactic is efficiant and is the result of years and years of IC forced naval evolution. If you ever have played in the swedish area you know what i mean by forced naval evolution. For those that haven't a clue. The geografy of the swedish area is in such way that the characters are forced to use ships to have any technologic evolution. This means that a major part of the characters in the swedish area lives on boats or owns one.

The percentage of ships per character in the swedish area is what i belive to be fairly high in comparance to other language areas. So that the swedish characters have a forced history in seafaring have made them somewhat experts in naval battles and battles fought from a ship in general. If we would had a seafaring skill this would most probably be quite high in the swedish area. Which would make them IC a exellent breed to use as sailors in future navies.

How the hell could so many soldiers be awake at the same time your asking? That's easy... Just wait for the rest to wake up. And when anough soldiers are awake to be able to drag people then spring to action.

Just because the swedish characters have a different history and background dosen't make it cheating. And by that the turkish community slaughtered swedish characters have made the recruitment of soldiers easier than if that never happend. If the slaughter never took place the Swedish Liberation Army would never have been born and the turkish and swedish characters may still have lived somewhat side by side. But that's another history because that's not what it is. The war continues until the day when IC the both sides of this conflict comes to a peace treaty of some kind, if that now would happen. Because the winds of war could turn around and the war continues back and forth...

None of us can tell anything about the IC future about the war between swedish and turkish characters. We as players can only make guesses about the future between the swedish and turkish characters and their war.

[meddah]

SCUBA,

I can speak German. If i create a Turkish character and sail him to the German Area. And introduce myself as German and speak with them. When i make all of the people in town trust me and make copies all of the buildings in town. Than if i sail to the Turkish area and bring 20 barbaric Turkish character to that German town, by saying them there is an islandfull German we can slaughter. After leave the game, as Onsalar did. And that Turkish Characters slaughter all the German characters in that area. In that case i made a lot of CRBs, even you didn't do that much. And i cannot also banned, because i don't play the game anymore. German Characters are less than Turkish characters and i guess it will be an easy genocide.

And the other Turkish characters will not be punished?

What will happen to that genocided German characters?
What about the resources captured by the barbaric Turkish characters?

Liljum,

Your attack could not be succesful, if you weren't make a CRB. You know it better than me.

If you keep repeating "Onsalar left Cantr", i will say to you "Turkish players, who creteated the characters, who slaughtered Swedish Characters before, left Cantr"

I don't know anything about the Swedish-Turkish war history. I don't want to know it. Don't keep repeating.

It doesn't make me any sense, that he left the game. It doesn't bring the dead characters back when i learn that he left the game.

If it's a Trojan horse, than it means all of that characters in that ship knows that is a Turkish name. So they all are guilty for their players CRB.

[Neva]

you all would still whining, screaming and kicking like my two year old daughter

We don't do something like this. We try to solve problems you caused.

And you cannot talk to me or other one of Turkish players like this. Learn first, how to be polite to people you didn't see before, even one time. We are not your friends from kindergarten.

[Liljum]

If it's a Trojan horse, than it means all of that characters in that ship knows that is a Turkish name. So they all are guilty for their players CRB.

The reson why i keep to repeat my self is that your having troubles to understand.

Yes, all characters knows that it has a turkish name but not until this discussion was started any of us knew that it was named by OCC means. Except for the player that named the ship that dosen't play Cantr anymore.

So the thing is that your blaming every player that has a character in that army for having a boat that was named by a player that dosen't play Cantr anymore.

But only the groups 1 and 2 that SCUBA was talking about knows that the boat was named with a turkish name to be able to be used as a Trojan Horse.

The later groups, 3 and 4, have no knowledge about why their ship has that name (i think) because that none of them have asked why. All they know is that the groups 1 and 2 calls it "Snabbheten"(Which the boats name means in swedish). To the groups 3 and 4 that ship could have been a confiscated ship.

You keep repeeting your selves as well. You still whant to win the war by using OCC means to stop it. And the boat could have a name taken from the IC lexicon and that army would still have been as succesfull.

If the army would have used a badly IC lexicon name on the boat, the first battle would have begun with turks that was suspicous but the army would still have won and could have taken one of the confiscated boats and you still would have tried to win the war by pulling CRB's to kill the Swedish Liberation Army.

The war between swedish and turkish characters can NOT be won OCCly. Do you whant to win the war? Then send one of you living characters that knows that the ship contains a swedish army to a city and build either up a defence or a offensive army to take on them instead of trying to go OCCly to win the war.

If the name çita(that first came up) should have been choosen you would still been complaining and trying to pull CRB's to stop the war.

[Liljum]

We try to solve problems you caused.

I haven't caused any problems. The name of the ship was named by a player that dosen't play anymore. Me as a player didn't know that until this thread came up and SCUBA came with the explaination. What i sent to the PD was my side of the story to why the battles wasen't won by cheating.

[Chris Johnson]

This forum is for reporting potential CRB's . PD are investigating this case and we don't need further discussion .

I'm locking this thread and the related one