All Turkish Players are tired about Swedish Players CRB's

[Neva]

I informed PD about the situation, but i don't think it' s enough!

They build a raker with a Turkish name!

If their accounts and chars stay, we (Turkish Players) will quit. We are waiting for justice...

[Silka]

This is not the first a Swedish character talking Turkish...Some swedish players came with a turkish named boat again...One of them was came to location before and said: "Merhaba ben Azra" How could this character know Azra is a Turkish name?..She was living with us and when Swedish players came they took main characters..So it was a knowing thing which char.has what...Maybe we must forget rules and play as we want too..We r fighting now but if justice wont be with us i cant see any reason to go on...

[Jos Elkink]

Are you sure the Swedish boat name and the name of Azra could not have been found in the game itself? If it is, and it was fairly communicated to the person building the boat, it's not a CRB and actually a pretty smart idea. If it is just found in a dictionary and not in-game, it's a CRB, of course.

[Neva]

I didn't see the Azra case.. I don't have any idea, but i'm sure Silka or the other players, who saw Azra case, will talk about it.

I saw only that raker named "Çabukluk" and yes, i am sure that they cannot find it out in the game. "Çabukluk" means "Rapidity" and we don't speak like "we need some rapidity", "we need a raker, that must be good in rapidity" or something.

I also want to speak about the Turkish Grammer. If we use this word in a sentences, we use it "Çabukluğu" or "çabukluğa". So they cannot find it out, it's last letter is "K".

I guess they tried to give the name "speed" but their dictionary failed them and they find it's second or thinrd meaning "Çabukluk".

I'm so sure it's a Capital Rule Breach!

And i think all characters in this ship do this at the same time. So it' s an organized breach.

[meddah]

None of my characters saw the Azra case, but one of the other characters told my character that she/he said: "Merhaba, ben Azra."

After i read, what Silka wrote, i am sure she/he said exactly: "Merhaba, ben Azra." The character, who told to my character used the same words.

I also wrote to PD, it is totally a slang word. She/he has to speak to a Turkish character to learn it. It is not like this in "OOC" dictionaries and also "IC" dictionaries.

Many of my characters have many kind of Turkish - Swedish dictionaries; ı just checked and saw there is not a word like "Çabukluk". An i agree with Neva, if you use this word in a sentences, the last letter "k" changes to "ğ".

Don't think Azra and Çabukluk cases are simple usual CRBs. If they would dock with a Swedish named ship and speak a foreign language, characters could prepare for a battle. One of them spoke with Azra, before they attacked.

I also want you think, a raker named "XXX" start to dock to a location with many peoples carrying crossbows, they need at least 3 hours to dock.

I repeat, this is not a simple usual CRB. It is not fair to pass this over, with a warning or a simple penalty. Because at least 6 characters died or dying in this location, and the survivors' all labor is wasted.

[Piscator]

Is it imaginable that the boat was captured? Or would it be totally inapropriate for a Turkish character to name his/her boat "Çabukluk"?
And the name "Azra" is fairly common in dictionaries as a name example in some areas of the world.

[Neva]

Of course it could be captured, if i does not have 15 chars in Turkish area and if many of my chars weren't main chars in many locations.. It could be captured and none of my chars could be unawared about a raker named Çabukluk.

A Turkish character can also give the name "çabukluk" to his raker. But our chars live like smurfs. We don't just have right of property in any of our locations. No one owns his/her raker, also dingy, also sloop, also home. I'm sure they did not capture it, but if i realize that they did, i ready for an apologize.

I also made a conversation with an old Cantr User, his name is Yoldaş and he was also an activ member before these CRB attacks of Swedish Players. You can check searching the Turkish Language Forums. Also he wrote to Swedish forums, because of CRBs, they did before.

Yoldash is one of the first Turkish language department members. So he is one of the first turkish players.

And he was still playing when i start to play cantr. So he also does not hear about a Turkish raker named Çabukluk.

These are my arguments about the situation. I want to read their posts here, if they really captured that raker.

[SekoETC]

It's not impossible to organize an attack like that ingame. Using a ship name that doesn't raise suspicions is a good plot, but if they used an OOC dictionary to name it then it's very bad. Also if they gained knowledge through a character that was living among the Turks and the knowledge was passed through off-game means, that's bad as well.

Rakers can only dock to harbours. Having the harbour locked would force attackers to break it, which would take at least a day (unless they have several people with crowbars), and this would give you a chance of sniping at them. I would assume that if you have enough materials to build a harbour, you'd also have enough iron for a lock. Piracy itself is not against the rules. But it's good that you reported it since naturally if there is cheating involved, it should be brought to daylight.

PD may have a hard time keeping an eye on things happening on foreign language regions if they don't have members that would understand the language. All they can see is if two characters of the same player are working together. But if one character is in a location to learn about the people living in there, and then later their another character attacks that town using the knowledge gained through the first character, this won't show up as character interaction because the characters never met. So it's very hard to detect.

[Neva]

As i said before my chars are not witnesses of the Azra case. So i don't want to talk about this case.

I also know about the harbors and the materials. But we were unprepared, because they were cheating.

This is our problem. We had many buildings with locks so we could drag all of them to seperate room and kill them in the same day. Because we were also 12 chars in that location.

They are not that crowded i guess.

They had steel battle axes, we had crossbows. But they cheated, this is our problem.

[meddah]

And the name "Azra" is fairly common in dictionaries as a name example in some areas of the world.

That characters name could be Azra. And yes, the name "Azra" is fairly common in dictionaries as a name example in some areas of the world.

But there is not a phrase like "Merhaba, ben Azra." in those common dictionaries, there is "Merhaba, benim adım Azra."

Turkish characters doesn't say mostly "Benim adım XXX" and all of the characters in that location also have one of those common dictionaries and if she/he said: "Merhaba, benim adım Azra" we could olsa awared she/he is an enemy.

We usually ask when someone comes to a location: "Say some complex phrases so we can understand that you are not a spy" We could ask her/him this and could be prepared this way.

I want to say one more thing.

"çabukluk" is the one of the last words you can learn in Turkish. I'm 26 years old and maybe i never used it once, when i speak. You can only see that word, when you search a dictionary or when you play Cantr with Swedish guys.

[Liljum]

I can not give a good answer to thees accusations without making a CRB.

I've really tried to answer without breaking the CR. And the only thing i can say that it's all IC (as to my knowledge).

A better explaination means that i have to make a bunch of CRB's.

All i can see by your accusations is that your pissed of by that the swedish characters finaly can fight back and pay back the slaughter, the suppression and enslavement of the swedish characters.

So actually your calling a CRB for meeting a highly trained, highly efficient and well prepared army that fights back. All done IC (as to my knowledge).

I should not say anymore, because what iv'e said so far may be a CRB or on the borderline to it.

[Jos Elkink]

Ok, before we get a lengthy discussion here, perhaps it's better if you email your arguments to the PD. The PD is looking into the case.

[Liljum]

Yes i will do that. They will have my arguments on their desk in about 1-4 days due to work, family and holiday resons.

[meddah]

I can not give a good answer to thees accusations without making a CRB.

I've really tried to answer without breaking the CR. And the only thing i can say that it's all IC (as to my knowledge).

A better explaination means that i have to make a bunch of CRB's.

All i can see by your accusations is that your pissed of by that the swedish characters finaly can fight back and pay back the slaughter, the suppression and enslavement of the swedish characters.

So actually your calling a CRB for meeting a highly trained, highly efficient and well prepared army that fights back. All done IC (as to my knowledge).

I should not say anymore, because what iv'e said so far may be a CRB or on the borderline to it.

You are a language department member Liljum, aren't you? Can you translate us what is this conversation about?

http://www.cantr.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... sc&start=0

Maybe i can learn Swedish, when i compare its Swedish and English version! Thanks for your help and thanks for your great loyalty to the Capital Rule!

[Bear]

I can do that, it's simply what the head tells, it's a "I am" thread where some players reveal the names of their characters and some just are stating their characters career.

Ok, before we get a lengthy discussion here, perhaps it's better if you email your arguments to the PD. The PD is looking into the case.