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Possible abuse of repair projects

Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 1:47 am
by The Industriallist
Assuming, as is probably the case, that repair projects have no form of degredation, a way to mothball items now exists: Just repair them for one hour, and they'll stay imbedded forever in the project. You can get them out as they were in just an hour's work.

Good, bad, indifferent, wrong?

Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 2:12 am
by rklenseth
Bad and wrong if true. Remember abusing the game mechanics is Capital Rule breach so don't do it.

But whether this is true or not you'll have to ask programming.

Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:03 am
by Agar
Wouldn't that be the game mechanic equivelent to storing them? That sounds like a good idea for merchants to perserve their wares for sale, not an abuse of a game mechanic.

However! If objects being repaired don't have weight (Jos knows if any had thought of that) then it should not be allowed. Travelling merchants should have to bear the weight of thier goods, stored or not.

Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:10 am
by Surly
Agar wrote:Wouldn't that be the game mechanic equivelent to storing them? That sounds like a good idea for merchants to perserve their wares for sale, not an abuse of a game mechanic.

That's the argument I used when I PMed Jur about it. Of course I managed to press send just as Cantr went down for backing up... so it never sent. And I'm too lazy to rewrite such a long PM...

Anyway, I think that if you put a minimum length of project on it, it should be considered a game feature. It takes a few hours to bring the object out of storage... but it doesn't deteriorate. Seems a fair exchange to me.

Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 5:09 am
by kinvoya
I thought you couldn't repair items while traveling. Did that change?

Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 5:16 am
by Nick
When you're riding a veichle you're not considered travelling.

Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 5:32 am
by kinvoya
So you can make repairs in bike, cars, etc. while traveling? I don't want my stuff to disappear.

Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 5:54 am
by Agar
I have succesfully repaired a bow and shield while on a dirtbike.

No idea how to feild strip a bow for some maintainence to make it as good as new while boncing over a desert path, but hey, I ain't bitching.

On most vehicles, it makes sense to be able to do things like repair while travelling, but doing that sort of work while walking doesn't, which is why it was removed.

Re: Possible abuse of repair projects

Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 8:54 am
by Jur Schagen
The Industriallist wrote:Assuming, as is probably the case, that repair projects have no form of degredation, a way to mothball items now exists: Just repair them for one hour, and they'll stay imbedded forever in the project. You can get them out as they were in just an hour's work.

Good, bad, indifferent, wrong?


Yeah I figured that one out too while implementing it... and thought you guys would think of it at some time anyway. Wrong, I'd say, but not a CR breach per se. And we're working on a solution (well, we're working on a solution for another problem, but that will fix this too).

Jur.

PS - Surly, too bad the PM was lost... I'm interested in your opinions even though we don't agree on them. Don't you know you should always type in notepad :wink:

Oh and being able to repair obejcts in vehicles (including boats) is hereby reconfirmed.

Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 2:04 pm
by julie2
...but not on a bike, presumably.

The last I knew, there was sod-all you can do on a bike except keep on pedalling- which makes sense. I'm not grumlbing about that...apart from the fact that you can't even see the animals along the road, let alone shoot them, not even if you stop, But that's the same for other vehicles too (I guess our seafarers won't ever be harpooning whales)

Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 2:56 pm
by west
I can ride on a bike without using my hands.

I don't normally build tools while doing so, of course.

Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:29 pm
by Surly
Just a thought... is there a limit to the amount of time you can repair a project for?

What I mean is, can a newspawn thief start 20 repair projects for 90000 hours, effectively removing those items fron the game?

Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:33 pm
by rklenseth
I believe you can only repair for the max. time that is indicated when asked.

Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:09 pm
by Agar
One of the first things I did was try to Over repair a bone needle, and I got the happy error message. This is not another thing for newspawn fools to abuse.