Cantr II Discussion Forum

Hello,

You know those times you see 100g jars of coffee on sale for less than half the price of 200g jars, and it makes no sense?

Assuming there to be no errors in the Wiki, the same happens with mashing potatoes in Cantr.

To mash potatoes, you need a small, medium or large stone pot.

Here is a table to show you the differences between the three:



Ok, now here is a list of the fractions of the final product you need to put in. So for example, for a large pot, you get 2000g output, and you put in 400g milk, so the fraction is 400/2000 = 0.2



So this means that if I am good enough to have a big stone pot, I am actually penalised, because I need to put more in than if I used a small or medium pot.

Shouldn't I get some advantage from usig a big pot?

By using a big pot, I only have to heat up the fire pit once, so I should use proportionately less wood, as I don't waste that bit getting the fire going. Also, as anyone will know if they have tried boiling 5 eggs for 50 minutes because it said they needed 10 minutes each, double the amount doesn't need double the fuel. So it should take less wood, not more.

By using a big pot, I get waste less by getting it stuck to the side of the pot, or my hands while I'm cooking it. So it should take less milk and fewer potatoes.

So why does it take more wood, and a similar amount of milk and potatoes? And what is the benefit to me of having a big stone pot - am I missing something?

psymann

Yes - Time

The critical difference is the amount you can make in 1 day

Ahaaa... that bit is missing on the Wiki, thanks

But even in that case, shouldn't the big pot still use 0.25 worth of wood - ie 500 wood, not 600 wood? The rest are all even, so why does the big pot need proportionately more wood?

psymann

That bit isn't missing from the wiki - It says the output is per days worth of labour

And whilst you shouldn't try to apply real life science too much to Cantr science you are ignoring the fact that the pots themselves need to be heated - A large stone pot weighs a lot more than a small stone pot and requires more fuel to warm up to the same temperature

It is missing:

Wiki wrote:Output (fixed)
2000 grams of mashed potatoes

Labour required
Unknown (medium)

No mention that the fixed output takes a day, and no mention of it taking one day's labour either.

Ok, a couple more questions then:

1) If the big pot takes more fuel to warm than the medium pot, why doesn't the medium pot need more fuel to warm than the small pot?

2) If this is all true about warming the pots, then why is it only true for mashed potatoes, and not for boiling eggs?



With this one, the small pot needs more fuel than the other two - but yet the medium pot doesn't need less fuel than the big pot.

Is there a reason for that?

psymann

If it's not in the Wiki then put it in the Wiki

And your calculations show there is a difference between the Small pot and Medium pot in ratio of fuel required

As to why the other examples are different I don't know . Someone in RD may like to shed more light on that

Chris Johnson wrote:If it's not in the Wiki then put it in the Wiki

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Chris Johnson wrote:And your calculations show there is a difference between the Small pot and Medium pot in ratio of fuel required

I think that is just rounding errors due to integers being needed as inputs for the projects.

Chris Johnson wrote:As to why the other examples are different I don't know . Someone in RD may like to shed more light on that

Thanks,
I await their response...

psymann

Does anyone actually use wood for those things anyway? Seems like a waste...the main reason I like the pots in the first place is that they let you cook in large quantities with nothing but dung.

Psymann, you apparently have energy. You want to apply to RD?

Hmm, I suppose I just notice when maths doesn't add up nicely.

I think if I was to apply to any of Cantr's departments, it would be RD. The problem is that I'm not sure how much time I have - I already play this rather more than I really ought to, and what with spending a lot of time moderating and helping develop WoE, I'm wary of overloading myself.

I also think that I need to play this a little longer before I get involved in anything official... I've only been here for 48 days so far, and I think I should really have more time completed than that before I get involved - both to make sure I'm here to stay for a while, and so I have experienced a few more aspects of the game.

So if I'm still around after Christmas, still enjoying Cantr, and not being overworked by doing work, buying houses, developing WoE battle algorithms and spending time with people I ought to be spending time with - and if that was a serious offer - then RD might get an application...

psymann