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Postby Reindeer^ » Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:51 am

Crossbow should be terribly bad melee weapon (Attack: 7), because it is quite thin and it is mostly made from wood and it's shape is not for hitting.
So it should be as damaging as a... stone cleaver.

SekoETC wrote: Also in my opinion it shouldn't be possible to shoot yourself with a bow because how on earth would you hold it backwards?


IMO, you should be able to shoot yourself, but you can't use as much power than when you shoot other people.

Why not just make three kind of arrows?

Wooden arrow: 5 grams of wood
Iron arrow: 1 gram of iron and 5 grams of wood
Steel arrow: 1 gram of iron and 5 grams of wood

And you could make 50- 60 of them in one day.
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Postby SekoETC » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:42 am

I'd say an iron arrow has a better chance of piercing lets say leather armor because iron is harder than bone, and also bone doesn't stay sharp for as long. Though many arrows were actually blunt, at least the ones used to hunt small prey. Feathers could be replaced with balsa or reed or something. Grass? We can imagine some of Cantr grass has long, wide blades.

Crossbow bolts were often made of metals as far as I know.

Piscator wrote:If a society is advanced enough to have crossbows they should be able to manufacture bolts, too.

Yeah, the people complaining are the lazy ones who got their crossbow from some oldbie who quit and who couldn't go through all the trouble of making one themselves. People who have made a crossbow or even a compound bow should know that including arrows is just one more step to the process. It's like repairing except it takes material. And if ranged weapons had the ranged quality, like ability to shoot through windows or to shoot further while on a road or to shoot at ships that are floating outside a harbour, that would give them an advantage that would be worth using stuff on arrows.
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Postby Sicofonte » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:33 am

Please, don't forget that some of those "lazy ones" are living in places where there is little option to make iron or steel.

English characters, followed by Polish, have had the best resource supplies from the beggining of the game. Each new language group introduced in the game have had more and more difficulties to develop their industry,

And if ranged weapons had the ranged quality, like ability to shoot through windows or to shoot further while on a road or to shoot at ships that are floating outside a harbour, that would give them an advantage that would be worth using stuff on arrows.
In fact, if bows, crossbows and guns are not going to have ranged attack, it is a nonsense to implement ammo. It has been said before.

Crossbow should be terribly bad melee weapon
Any ranged weapon should be a bad melee weapon. Currently, any kind of weapon in Cantr is of the same type "Cantr irrealistic weapon". There are no ranged nor melee weapons in Cantr.

Why not just make three kind of arrows?
Just because there is no range attack in Cantr, so it has no sense to use arrows if you can't throw them. Very cheap arrows would be less annoying than expensive ones, but all of them would be stupid and unnecessary.

While the combat system remains unranged, all this discussion is as pointless as the pregnancy topic with baby characters being not allowed.
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Postby Yömyssy » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:34 pm

SekoETC wrote:I'd say an iron arrow has a better chance of piercing lets say leather armor because iron is harder than bone, and also bone doesn't stay sharp for as long.

If you're talking about re-using of arrows, I agree. But if not, how come doesn't bone stay sharp for as long?

SekoETC wrote:Yeah, the people complaining are the lazy ones who got their crossbow from some oldbie who quit and who couldn't go through all the trouble of making one themselves. People who have made a crossbow or even a compound bow should know that including arrows is just one more step to the process.

That can be understood in many ways..
But I don't want to believe that you're trying to say that we who haven't really made a crossbow by ourselves, are lesser than the ones that have made one. (And just so you know... Not all of us - "the lazy ones who are complaining" - have just "got our crossbows from some oldbie", I seriously think that a) you're making everything too general. b) you don't think that people who have played the game longer can disagree with what you think.)

But I have made a compound bow and no.. Making the arrows isn't a step in the process.

SekoETC wrote:It's like repairing except it takes material.

I'm sorry if this insults you, but thats probably the stupidest comparison I've ever heard.. and trust me I've heard a lot. since.. Isn't everything "repairing, expect it just takes material". Isn't life just dying expect you need to stay alive?
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Postby SekoETC » Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:08 pm

Pfft. Sometimes repairing should take material too. And yes, I'm talking of re-using the arrows. The only way you would not be re-using arrows is when the arrow is stuck to your enemy and you can't just go rip out out because then he would hit you.
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Postby Reindeer^ » Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:59 am

Well, arrows would make this agme a bit more realistic but it also makes this game harder to play.
But where do you see how much arrows you have? In your inventory?

new arrow
new arrow
new arrow
new arrow
new arrow
crumbling arrow
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Postby shapukas » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:07 am

If its to complikated for your char to have inof arows, then make battle axe. Then you'll not have to have arows. History shows that archers were the moste expensive military force.
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Postby Solutions Maximus » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:41 am

Oh... gods no. The more like real life you make Cantr, the more boring it will become. Seriously, how many people here would like to Role Play the life they currently have. Cantr would be excellent if we just stopped changing it right now. Well, I'm still not a huge fan of the whole rot system, and the combat could be tweaked a bit, but other than that, I like Cantr how it is.
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Postby Trezker » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:34 am

Even if Cantr was realistic, you can still live 15 very different lives at once. I think that's the real attraction of Cantr. Even if you only play one char in Cantr you can experiment with a lifestyle that you'd never try in real life.

If Cantr shouldn't be striving towards realism, then I vote for implementing magic!
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Postby Solutions Maximus » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:08 am

There's a certain point where the realism should stop for the sake of keeping Cantr fun and imaginative. I wouldn't vote for magic, because that is too generic, and Cantr is a unique game.

I think it would be fun to have a game similar to Cantr with gods and magic and wonder creatures implemented, but I still would like Cantr to be as it is.
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Postby Piscator » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:10 pm

Reindeer^ wrote:Well, arrows would make this agme a bit more realistic but it also makes this game harder to play.
But where do you see how much arrows you have? In your inventory?

new arrow
new arrow
new arrow
new arrow
new arrow
crumbling arrow


Arrows could be handled like coins. I mean, they could get a separate section in the inventory and could me made a stackable item when stackability is implemented.

I wouldn't mind either if they would be handled like any other resource, maybe with a p (for pieces) behind the amount instead of g.
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Postby Antono Flavio » Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:00 pm

Oh, at least you don't want us to scroll down hundreds of arrows. :lol:
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Postby Sicofonte » Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:29 pm

Do not bother about that.

Stackability of objects.
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Postby Piscator » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:21 pm

Bother about what :?: And I read the thread before I posted :wink:
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Postby Liljum » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:37 pm

If ammo gets accepted and implemented, that i wish not, should the arrows and such become a part of the reciver? As clothes that the character wears?

"an old arrow from a crossbow penetrates the wearers left shoulder and have left green blood stains on other clothes"

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