Cantr II Discussion Forum

One step closer to the man, I Lewis Libby, also known as Scooter, who was the chief advisor for VP Dick Cheney, who is largely responsible for the War in Iraq, has been indicted today... Karl Rove, W's consigliere, has unfortunately escaped indictment for the time being. But they got one of them, and now is when it gets interesting... String em high....

Wm

if you tell me what "indication" means.. i will vote.

Indication? Indictment is where criminal charges are filed against a person by a Grand Jury. They, in other words, are prime suspects in crime, the ones to be tried, etc. Libby has felony charges against him. Where did you get "Indication"?

hey.. i was tierd when i wrote that. So.... I'm not even going to vote.

Pft, I wish GW would go down for something!

On the topic, is anyone going to protest on Nov. 2?

You should have put an "I wish" section in the poll.

That's in the "Unfortunately No" catergory... As a grad student, I don't have time for protests...

Don't protest. Just throw a molotof cocktail at a republican alderman's office. C'mon, all the kids are doing it!

I throw a molotov Cocktail at the precints
You know how we think...

-Dead Prez...

But I have to wonder if since the protests we organized and did before the War didn't have any effect, what is a protest going to do now? IN my short, SHORT history with the Protest movement, I am still a veteran of almost three years of organizing (Almost 5 years, if you count "party" work). I've done a "tour" in the movement. And today the criticism is as it was three years ago: 1) There is no over arching organization to organize nationwide civil disturbances; 2) The people that are doing the most are the ones who are most content to stand on a bridge, on the sidewalk, with signs and waving rather than standing in the middle of the road and making people at least stop and think; and 3) The Government still don't HAVE to listen if they don't want to, where they HAD to listen in, say Martin Luther King Jr.'s day... They didn't really have a choice.

But... and this is the wierd thing, we still work and we still celebrate our little victories, because those are the only ones we get today. One of them: forcing one of the chief architechts of our discontent into a situation where he has to resign from office, and where he could possibly spend the next 7 years in jail (we know he won't). That is the one thing in the last few years that makes me think that anything I did over that time was worth anything, and I recieve a feeling of personal satisfaction knowing that that warmonger and filthy liar at least has to answer for the things he did. It has nothing to do with Party. Just like the War has nothing to do with Party (the Dems would have done the same thing, and the Dems are responsible for helping them). It has everything to do with vindication.

Wm

Well, people will only have to listen if you make them listen.

Of course, it's hard. What you have to do is find something to trump their police truncheons. Something that people will care about that you can manipulate, and that they can't easily take back. That's the stuff of successful protest. That and the protest turning into an orgy of senseless destruction.

Like you say, blocking roads and bridges.






If you ask me, the Republicans and Democrats aren't all that different from each other. But this is just from what I have seen. I don't really look into them much.

I agree, there should be an "I Wish" choice. Sadly, despite all the bad press lately, I don't think these guys will let themselves get pushed out, they've already shown they'll let their lackeys and little guys take the falls in their places.

wm wrote:As a grad student, I don't have time for protests...

Students have for a long time been a major part of the backbone pf protest, demonstration etc. I spend a huge amount of time getting involved in 'stuff like that'

shame on you...
*shakes his head and wonders what happened to the seventies...

I understand that, but I think that walkouts, as my ultra-liberal community college often attempts, are counter-productive. I think that staying in school and becoming educated is the best weapon against the current regime's disdain for logical, researched information.

but isn't active involvement in political and social issues and the groups and organisations around them a learning experience?

Well, read my other posts. I have put in nearly three years not as a participant but as an organizer. It's time to let someone else take the reigns... After all, the first task of a democratic (small d) movement is to not create demogauges (eg. Ms. Sheehan; millions of people protested the war and Bush, but Sheehan sought, received, and accepted the role of "icon", and thousands of liberal soccer moms, granola hippies, and disaffected Amerikins rallied around her, sort of chanting what she was chanting, forgetting that the point was not to say "I met with Cindy Sheehan" but "I did my part to raise consciousness").

I was born in the 70's. I went roller skating in the 70's. As a boy of at most 4 years old when the 70's ended, I did not have any recollection of any sort of civil activity in the 70's. But these are different times, and they require different measures, measures people just aren't willing to take because they are way too busy trying to relive the 70's (more likely, the 60's).

WM