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Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Rerated Adults Only

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:06 pm
by rklenseth
I thought this was interesting. It seems GTA:SA has been rerated AO, the first American video game to recieve this harsh pretty much XXX, rating due to a hidden mini game.

The news article is below;


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... rvideogame


Hidden Sex Scenes Spark Furor Over Video Game By Alex Pham Times Staff Writer
Thu Jul 21, 7:55 AM ET



The oversight board that puts parental ratings on video games took the unusual step Wednesday of slapping its strongest warning on a bestselling title as the game maker admitted putting explicit, interactive sex scenes on the disc.

Retailers began pulling copies of "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" from their shelves after the Entertainment Software Ratings Board revoked the game's "Mature" rating and raised it to "Adults Only." Publisher Take-Two Interactive Software Inc. said it planned to rework "San Andreas" — the top-selling video game of 2004 — and reissue it later this year.

The ratings board is similar to the Motion Picture Assn. of America's rating board. A "Mature" rating is analogous to an R movie rating, and "Adults Only" is equivalent to NC-17. Most retailers refuse to sell "Adults Only" games.

Executives at New York-based Take-Two had denied for weeks that company programmers were responsible for the graphic sex scenes, which can be unlocked with software that was widely available on the Internet. But Wednesday they acknowledged that the game's designers had created the scenes, dubbed "Hot Coffee."

"The editing of any game is a highly technical process," said Take-Two spokesman Rodney Walker. "We liken it to a painter who paints one painting and paints over it on the same canvas."

Walker's explanation did little to mollify critics, who point to the "Grand Theft Auto" series to highlight the issue of violence and sexuality in video games. The games celebrate nihilistic killing, and Take-Two has reveled in its image as the bad boy of a $25-billion global game industry that's trying to gain respectability to match its profits.

"It looks like Take-Two Interactive purposefully conned the video game industry rating board and parents across the country," said Washington state Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson. " 'San Andreas,' as a top-selling game in the country, now is in the hands of thousands of children who can practice interactive pornography. There should be legal consequences … so [the company doesn't] laugh all the way to the bank."

"San Andreas," which retails for about $50, has sold more than 12 million copies worldwide since its launch in October. "Mature" rated games are intended for players older than 17. Many retailers keep such games under lock and key and have policies requiring clerks to check the identification of buyers.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc., which accounts for as much as 20% of video game sales in the United States, began removing "San Andreas" from its shelves Wednesday, as did Best Buy Co.

"Our policy is not to carry any adult titles on our shelves," said Wal-Mart spokeswoman Karen Burk, who said buyers "can certainly bring the product back" for a refund.

Take-Two said it would make a patch available for downloading so that customers could block the sex scenes.

Word of the scenes began spreading over the Internet last month after Dutch programmer Patrick Wildenbourg began distributing software that he said unlocked them.

Many video games have secrets to which players gain access as they progress. They might, for instance, win extra powers or reach hidden levels.

"Hot Coffee," by contrast, is an interactive sex game, featuring oral sex and intercourse.

Wildenbourg, who removed his software from the Internet on Wednesday, declined to comment.

As late as last week, Take-Two had insisted that the sex scenes were "the work of a determined group of hackers who have gone to significant trouble to alter scenes in the official version of the game." Hackers, the company said, created the scenes by "disassembling and then combining, recompiling and altering the game's code."

The scenes prompted an outcry from game critics, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who last week called for a federal investigation into "Hot Coffee."

The Entertainment Software Ratings Board began a review to determine whether the scenes were part of the game's original code and warranted a re-rating of "San Andreas," versions of which play on Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news).'s PlayStation 2, Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox and personal computers.

"After a thorough investigation, we have concluded that sexually explicit material exists in a fully rendered, unmodified form on the final discs of all three platform versions of the game," said Patricia Vance, president of the ratings board. "Clearly the [original] rating was incorrect, and it needed to be corrected."

Take-Two's Walker said Wednesday that the sex scenes were never meant to be seen by the public and that they were revealed only when an outside programmer, called a "modder," wrote software to unlock them.

"The mod community scratched the painting, revealing the earlier work," he said.

Analysts estimated that modifying and remarketing "San Andreas" would cost Take-Two about $40 million in lost sales. Shares of Take-Two fell 11% in after-hours trading.

"It was a very poor exercise of judgment and a very costly one," said Michael Pachter, a video game industry analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities in Los Angeles. "It's an embarrassment for management because obviously a maverick developer in their studios decided to put this stuff in there. I can only fault the management team for not putting systems in place to vet their games."

Take-Two is no stranger to controversy. Previous installments of "Grand Theft Auto" have been adored by hard-core gamers but excoriated by parent groups and lawmakers for their depictions of violence and sex.

In one, players could have sex with a prostitute and then beat her to death and take back their money. That game was rated "Mature" because players did not see the sex. Instead, they saw a parked car rock back and forth.

Some lawmakers criticized the ratings board for failing to detect the sex scenes in its initial evaluation of "San Andreas" last year. Although the system is voluntary, most game publishers seek a rating from the organization, which evaluated more than 1,000 titles last year.

"It should not have taken this long," said Rep. Joe Baca (news, bio, voting record) (D-Rialto). "This is evidence that the voluntary ratings system does not work."

Video game industry executives tried to assure parents that the "San Andreas" incident was an anomaly.

The ratings board "has been in business for 11 years, and there has never yet been an incident of this kind," said Doug Lowenstein, head of the Entertainment Software Assn., the industry's trade group. "You're looking at well over 10,000 games rated. If you look at that track record, you can say parents have every reason to be confident in the ratings system."

Some consumers weren't completely reassured.

"As a parent I've lost some confidence in the [ratings board's] ability to police the industry," said Dennis McCauley, editor of GamePolitics.com. "But [the board] did take a big step today, and I have to give them credit for that."

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:10 pm
by rklenseth
And it seems most retailers will not sell San Andreas anymore. So everyone that has a copy, keep good care of it because it may be worth some money someday especially if you have one with the original Mature rating on it. :lol:

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:13 pm
by west
Uh, a few things.

First of all, violence, misogyny, racism, and brutality are okay, but a hidden "egg" with poorly-rendered, non-arousing (yes, I've seen it) simulated sex suddenly makes something unsuitable? I think by the time you're 17 (the age at which you're supposed to be able to buy "M" rated games) you're ready to handle something like that, especially if you're already playing Grand Theft Auto and you went to the Internet, found out about the mod, downloaded it and performed the necessarily conditions for it to work on your console. Nobody can just "get to" that content, you have to a) know it's there, and b) work at it to get it.

This new re-rating is a bullsh*t move to appease politicians who are out for their own image-making as crusaders for the family, and for parents who would rather leave the parenting to someone else.

And since I have to prove every point with a webcomic, I think I'll end this with the following:

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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:20 pm
by rklenseth
Oh, I agree with you, West.

I think what we are going to see out of this though are video games, movies, and maybe even books banned from the US. That is what a lot of these parenting and family groups want and this just takes it a step closers since to them and their propagande it makes it look like the rating system failed and thus the only way to protect your children is by having the government ban these things.

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:22 pm
by ephiroll
Yeah, I read about this a few days ago, never worry though, I have an original copy of the game in mint condition :D .

I don't even see what the big deal is about. The "mini-game" is only accessable on the computer version and that shouldn't have anything to do with any console versions because it is impossible to "unlock" it on those. Plus, the game is rated "mature" and anyone buying it is sopposed to be carded, my ID was check when I bought my copy at WalMart. Far as I'm concerned all the blame for it falling into the wrong hands in on the parents that buy it for a kid, and the retailers that don't ID people who buy it. People can't seem to understand that GTA is a game that is meant for, and always has been from the very first one, ADULTS. But what are you going to do, the bible bangers are always louder about stuff like this because they're the only ones with the time to waste on it.

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:24 pm
by ephiroll
Great cartoon, west :lol:

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:09 pm
by Cookie
Whats all the worry, I played the first GTA with my freinds all the time when I was about ten. ...and I turned out fine! :wink:

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:24 am
by Cdls
This is just yet another example of what happens when parents cant control their kids. That is the bottom line here. Now people want to blame the ESRB for not catching this. They have rated tons of games, and make one mistake and people are getting all worked up about it.

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:33 am
by swymir
I heardthis yesterday and I was pissed. I wish I bought it before now. And all this does is push it back another year. WOW NOW YOU HAVE TO BE 18 TO BUY IT!

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:22 am
by Antichrist_Online
Thing is this is only moderate nudity compared to some of the Japanese and European games on the market. The American censorship board lets levels of violence which would never pass in Europe or Japan go through, but even the suggestion of sex and its rating shoots right up.

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:17 pm
by rklenseth
Swymir wrote:I heardthis yesterday and I was pissed. I wish I bought it before now. And all this does is push it back another year. WOW NOW YOU HAVE TO BE 18 TO BUY IT!


That's if you can find it now. Most retailers (for example the article states both Wal-Mart and Best Buy are pulling it from their shelves) will not carry it anymore due to the new rating.

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:42 pm
by ephiroll
Antichrist_Online wrote:Thing is this is only moderate nudity compared to some of the Japanese and European games on the market. The American censorship board lets levels of violence which would never pass in Europe or Japan go through, but even the suggestion of sex and its rating shoots right up.


Yeah, it's pretty funny how it works out like that. I'd guess that it's because most people in the US don't really think too much about violence because there is far worse then what is in just about any game (except "Manhunt" that I know of) on the news everyday. Whereas, even those who don't visit church on a regular basis are heavily influenced by notions of modesty that have prevailed in this country for decades.

Perssonally, I don't think either extreme is really anything to worry about. After all, no matter what anyone likes to believe, the level of sex and violence kids are exposed to today are less then at any other time in history, plus, according to all the data I've seen the number of people <18 haveing sex and babies has fallen steadily over the last 5 years. Although teenage crime is climbing, this is being linked more and more to poor parenting rather then anything else. The fuss about GTA is about what some people believe should or should not be, not what logic says.

Of course, there will always be those who have addictive perssonalities and do take the chance of becoming screwed up because of sex and violence, but if playing one game does it, then they were probably already half gone already.

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:05 pm
by Sparkle
I wanna see it!!!

A guy at school was telling me it only works on PS2. I have an X-box so since they changed the rating they should post how to do see it cause now I wanna see!!! WHAAAHAAAA!!

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:12 pm
by Floyd
Just out of curiosity, whats the legal age of consent in the states? Is it sixteen like over here?

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:26 pm
by rklenseth
What do you mean? I believe it is different in every state. This is not regulated by the Federal Government as far as I know. But in New York I believe consent is 18. Now lets say you were 18 and your girlfriend/boyfriend was 17 then I believe that is still legal. I think even 16 and 18 is still legal but your better off just waiting until the other person is over 18 as well so you don't get in trouble. But I do believe the law is 18 but I think anyone under 18 can give consent to someone over 18 as long as there isn't a difference of 2 years. For example 18/17, 18/16, 20/17. I could be wrong so correct me if I am. I think the 2 year deal goes for anyone under 18 as well so 13/11, 13/12, 14/13, 14/12, etc....