Denominational discussion (split from CR forum)

[Schme]

I always thought it would be funny if a person using a real famous persons name did something great in Cantr. However, J is being a lame "duck" if you get what I mean.

I have always toyed with the idea of making a character name Adolf Hitler who would become a monk and ardent pasifist.

But there right. God is a universal word.

But the reason that the christian god in Arabic is the same as the muslim god is because Judaism, Christianity and Islam are based on the same things, and it is widely accepted that despite the differences in belief, they worship the same god.

And so, Allah is the word for the Judaic, Christian and Islamic god, and not just a word for god, and so it's usage would in fact be CR breach.


Or am I wrong?

If so, please tell me, as I probably look like an idiot right now.

[Solfius]

allah is an arabic word, so if you're playing in the English language area I think it would constitute a breach.

btw Schme trying telling a Roman Catholic he worships the same god as a muslim, or any other combination of members from those religions. They won't like it one bit. It may be widely accepted, but not by them

[Schme]

People who can't see that simply don't understand.

But if you look at it, if you think about it, it's undeniably true.

People should really study there own religions more, I should think.

But that's rather beside the point.


Yes, seeing as Allah is an arabic word, I suppose it's a CR breach in two respects then.

And I don't blame them for not having an arabic section, I truly don't blame them.

[Solfius]

theology isn't exactly an exact science. the faith thing has a big impact, and the whole "there is only one God - this one" kinda implies there is only one true religion, and any others which happen to be similar are blaphemous and should be burnt for heresy, which is why I expect that many active followers of all three religions *may* agree on their similarities, but never agree they are the same.

[Schme]

True enough. It's rather sad to think of.

[west]

I always thought it would be funny if a person using a real famous persons name did something great in Cantr.

Thanks to Cantr, my connotations of the name "Austin Powers" are completely different than when I started playing.

[Schme]

Is that good or bad?

[TatteredShoeLace]

Yes, I have an active Kwori and frankly it bothers me to have a character saying that, not even on a RPing sense, but more of a religious one. I don't need the game tugging on my conscience of blasphemy.

[Surly]

I don't see that he is claiming to be Jesus, just a prophet despite the J name. I don't like all the pop-up spawns spouting unimaginative Christian religious views, either, but I don't see that what he is doing is much different from the already established official church in that town which is highly referential to Catholicism and refers to "the Father" even though the concept of a father doesn't exist in Cantr.

I feel I should say that the idea of a father does exist... it may have different connatations in Cantr, but it is just a word. I started that faith, and it was never ever inspired by Catholicism... each of the things said by Lopan was a logical extension of the idea.

And if you say that the idea of a father should be absent, so should marriage, sex, even smiling or any facial movements.

Is J actually breaking the CR here? It doesn't seem to be so. I feel the PD should send him a message sayin "We are slightly concerned... please make sure that you keep the CR in mind with this character". That's all.

[SekoETC]

Yeah, in Cantr the concept of father doesn't include any blood relationship, it's merely a honorary term for an elder male taking care of you. As is mother for a female. I wish these words could be used without fear of getting bashed for importing real world concepts.

But that J doesn't seem like much of a player, maybe someone should tell him to get real.

[Birdsall007]

But the reason that the christian god in Arabic is the same as the muslim god is because Judaism, Christianity and Islam are based on the same things, and it is widely accepted that despite the differences in belief, they worship the same god.

This comes very close to the heart of the matter. The object of each of these faiths is indeed the true and living God. Where these three religions differ is in the way they believe they are to worship God.

The Christian faith revolves around Jesus, born in Bethlehem, of Mary, who married Joseph. This same Jesus, when he grew up, claimed to be God I and the Father are one (John 10 v 30-33) and the Jews of the days considered it blasphemy, because they did not recognise him as God.

If Jesus was God as he claimed, then all of his other claims will also be true, that is, if we accept that God is Holy, (sacred or pure).

Another of Jesus' claims was I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6). In saying this, Jesus was saying that all other ways of worshipping God were obsolete.

I'll stop now, but if anyone wants to know more, I can go on.

Incidentally, did you know that Jesus is the Greek version of the Hebrew name Joshua?

[west]

And then Mohammed came along a few centuries later, and the idea was that yeah, Jesus was a great prophet, but Allah spoke directly to Mohammed and gave him the words of the Q'ran. The idea is that just as Christianity was the "next step" after Judaism, so Islam was the "next step" after Christianity.

Obviously Christians weren't a fan, just as Jews weren't a fan of Christianity. But there you have it.

(MAN do we get off topic here)

[Agar]

Not as far as you think.

J, who if you think he's not Jesus, you're just fooling yourself, is trying to set himself up as a god.

If that's not a CRB, I'd like to know what is.

Still, he'd probabally get more followers if he called himself Cthulu.

[Solfius]

but do Muslims recognise Jesus as a precursors to Mohammad?

I doubt they recognise him as God Himself, which to me says that they don't agree it's the same religion. Christians would say the Jewish God is the same, but Jews would not say the same of Jesus.

In light of that I'd say that although they all seem similar at face value, the particular details of each one make them unique and fundamentally different.

[Solfius]

Of course, if you come from Spain, isn't Jesus a common name?

I know a person whose coach from the Spanish airport to the hotel was driven by Jesus, how's that for service?