Pirog vs. The Industriallist (Interference welcome)
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:16 pm
Since out debates have been rambling across a number of topics that didn't really need them, I'm going to try to keep us restricted to this small area in the off-topic forum. If anyone wants to break in on the arguement, please do so...
This follows directly from:here
You ought to read what I say. I specifically said I don't have my goals worked out for life. My characters tend not to either, at least not entirely. But short term goals certainly happen.
For reference, I don't think life means anything, really. Or it means what you want it to (as in cantr). They're really the same thing.
That doesn't mean efficiency is any less good. It just has to be efficiency towards your actual goals, whatever they are, not toward something else that you don't really care about. If making money is outside your main interests, that's fine...I think it's outside mine as well.
As for my characters (there are 8 alive)...my most powerful had no ambition. At all. He became powerful by the OOC reason of not dying of the 'sleeping sickness', no effort on his part was involved. Probably will grow some ambition now that he's got responsibilities.
One of my characters is devoted to an inherently unprofitable task...has developed some power as a result, perhaps, but not the usual sort.
Next down the list...very materially motivated, yes. Though he does have deeper reasons for that. The new changes that are effecting combat may help him or doom him...I can't tell which yet. (I won't say what his business is)
Moving down the list...my next is materially ambitious, but he certainly has (many) limits and other concerns. Is in business, though.
Next: Used to be exceedingly, near-exclusively greed-motivated. Now is in a psychologically interesting place...I can't go into any details here.
My next one has a lot of interests...one of my powerful ones, had to make an effort to get power, but his motivations for getting power have nothing to do with greed...even his motivations for being in business are only partly related to the profit he might get.
Next one...merchant, so somewhat profit-driven. Very honest, though. Material aspirations are mostly staying alive and getting a nicer ship and personal arsenal. Beyond that, goods just pile up on the deck and slow you down. Not that he's anywhere near the point of not wanting more stuff yet.
My last is a bit undeveloped. Unlike the others, so far he really is driven to aim for power and/or wealth foremost. But that could change pretty easily...he's only a couple years in this world.
This follows directly from:here
You ought to read what I say. I specifically said I don't have my goals worked out for life. My characters tend not to either, at least not entirely. But short term goals certainly happen.
For reference, I don't think life means anything, really. Or it means what you want it to (as in cantr). They're really the same thing.
That doesn't mean efficiency is any less good. It just has to be efficiency towards your actual goals, whatever they are, not toward something else that you don't really care about. If making money is outside your main interests, that's fine...I think it's outside mine as well.
As for my characters (there are 8 alive)...my most powerful had no ambition. At all. He became powerful by the OOC reason of not dying of the 'sleeping sickness', no effort on his part was involved. Probably will grow some ambition now that he's got responsibilities.
One of my characters is devoted to an inherently unprofitable task...has developed some power as a result, perhaps, but not the usual sort.
Next down the list...very materially motivated, yes. Though he does have deeper reasons for that. The new changes that are effecting combat may help him or doom him...I can't tell which yet. (I won't say what his business is)
Moving down the list...my next is materially ambitious, but he certainly has (many) limits and other concerns. Is in business, though.
Next: Used to be exceedingly, near-exclusively greed-motivated. Now is in a psychologically interesting place...I can't go into any details here.
My next one has a lot of interests...one of my powerful ones, had to make an effort to get power, but his motivations for getting power have nothing to do with greed...even his motivations for being in business are only partly related to the profit he might get.
Next one...merchant, so somewhat profit-driven. Very honest, though. Material aspirations are mostly staying alive and getting a nicer ship and personal arsenal. Beyond that, goods just pile up on the deck and slow you down. Not that he's anywhere near the point of not wanting more stuff yet.
My last is a bit undeveloped. Unlike the others, so far he really is driven to aim for power and/or wealth foremost. But that could change pretty easily...he's only a couple years in this world.
