Government loosened Hard line on Mars

[PsychoEmperor]

Just wondering if anyone noticed lately how Nasa and the Government have lately, eerily, loosening their grip on the old "we are the only life in the Universe" stance? I mean over the past severl weeks, the rovers have found water... and Nasa actually told us about it, and they are all creating a atmosphere that if Life was found people would be like "well obviously"... Bush even said he wants to go to mars.... Just wondering if anyone noticed and I would like to know what people think the reasoning behind this is. I have my own opionions but I'll like to hear everyone elses first.


And there you go, first intelligent discussion

[rklenseth]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that there is so much evidence of us being visited from even in Ancient human civilization that there can't be something out there.

It would be naive and arrogant to believe that we are the only life in this infinite universe. Whether it is intelligent or not is a matter of opinion. Like why the Hell they would be dealing with us pathetic humans should raise some alarms to this matter.

[The Hunter]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that there is so much evidence of us being visited from even in Ancient human civilization that there can't be something out there.

Evidence? Lol, like what? The Pyramids? Stonehenge? those "Landing Strips" in South America?

What have U been reading?

[rklenseth]

Some would claim that the Bible has evidence of aliens. Not so sure if it just paranoid people but the evidence is quite compelling if you actually see what they are talking about. There are also acounts in many ancient civilizations of 'people visiting from the heavens.'

Alexander the Great's diary offers pretty big evidence. When he was conquering a city, he wrote in his diary that a circle shape came from the sky and shone a bright light down on the city and destroyed and he interpreted as the Gods helping him but he drew a picture of the object afterwards that resembles a flying saucer.

Plus, read up on Roswell. Something big crashes in the desert and the first US military officer on the scene says it was an alien space craft. Then the big honchoes come in and say it wasn't an alien craft but a weather balloon and then threatened newspapers to keep them from publishing as well as went around to all the Roswell residence having them sign that it was a weather balloon that crashed in the desert and not the alien craft. The government was definitely hiding something there.

[The Hunter]

Yeah, I know what "events" UR talking abt. But until recently, people even considered St Elmo's fire as a sign, or strange cloud formations. Try getting some info on meteorological data and events. UFO shaped cloud formations are not even that rare, a bright shining man shape in the sky is another example. And Roswell. Now that's one big contradiction. But the government trying to cover something up just outside a "secret" testing base... Well...


I'm not desmissing the idea of aliens, aliens in history, UFO's, etc. I just don't see them proved beyond doubt. Hell, the Universe is so gigantic, the idea we're the only intelligent life borders on arrogance IMHO.
But sofar, everything can be explained by natural events, etc.

[Tolomus]

I agree with 'The Hunter', things like St Elmo's fire was considered supernatural, until it was realised what the cause was... I'm sure many things will be discovered in the future, that now we cannot explain, which some sonsider aliens or whatever.

I also agree that the universe is pretty damn big... we're bound to not be the only life, even intelligent life, in the entire thing. Why should our planet be the only one capable of supporting life, after all.

[XBL]

I also agree that the universe is pretty damn big... we're bound to not be the only life, even intelligent life, in the entire thing. Why should our planet be the only one capable of supporting life, after all.

Cause we're the only planet that is close enough to our sun so we don't freeze, but not too close that we burn.

And we haven't had the change to visit any other solar systems, to find planets that are on a 'good' position like the earth. I think we ARE the only living thing in this whole freaking big universe.

Btw, most people say the universe is endless, but I believe I read somewhere that it actually isn't... now I'm wondering, what will be outside our universe? Another, parallel universe? Oh, and I'm going way offtopic now.

Jochem

[Tolomus]

Tolomus wrote:
I also agree that the universe is pretty damn big... we're bound to not be the only life, even intelligent life, in the entire thing. Why should our planet be the only one capable of supporting life, after all.

Cause we're the only planet that is close enough to our sun so we don't freeze, but not too close that we burn.

I know... it was a rhetorical question. Duh.

I think we ARE the only living thing in this whole freaking big universe.

You are of course entitled to your own opinion, but I think that is a very uninformed one. Since we haven't even gotten out of our solar system, and barely even decently 'see' or 'explore' even a neighbouring planet like Mars, we are hardly in the position to think we are the only life in the universe. How ever many billions of planets there are, why the hell does only one, i.e. ours, have life on it? To me it just seems that even if our planet was 'lucky' in having certain conditions that allow life to be here, it seems possible, even probable, that other planets do as well.

Btw, most people say the universe is endless, but I believe I read somewhere that it actually isn't... now I'm wondering, what will be outside our universe? Another, parallel universe? Oh, and I'm going way offtopic now.

I have read and heard so many theories as to the universes 'size', and 'shape', it is impossible to actually 'know' either way. Either the universe is expanding, or slowing, or in the shape of a funnel type thing, or a sphere, or endless, or not, or in a multitude of other shapes... there has, as far as I know, never been a definitive, indisputable argument for any of them. Also, new theories are being thought of all the time. So, I guess we don't know.

[west]

I think chances are good that there's other life out there.

Whether its intelligent or not, how far away it is, or anything like that, don't much matter.

We should concentrate on getting our shit together on earth before we start messin' with space.

[Mavsfan911]

I think chances are good that there's other life out there.

Whether its intelligent or not, how far away it is, or anything like that, don't much matter.

We should concentrate on getting our shit together on earth before we start messin' with space.

At last!! Someone with some common sense....now if Bush could understand that

[trage]

I also agree that the universe is pretty damn big... we're bound to not be the only life, even intelligent life, in the entire thing. Why should our planet be the only one capable of supporting life, after all.

Cause we're the only planet that is close enough to our sun so we don't freeze, but not too close that we burn.

And we haven't had the change to visit any other solar systems, to find planets that are on a 'good' position like the earth. I think we ARE the only living thing in this whole freaking big universe.

Btw, most people say the universe is endless, but I believe I read somewhere that it actually isn't... now I'm wondering, what will be outside our universe? Another, parallel universe? Oh, and I'm going way offtopic now.

Jochem

Well that seems kind of uninformed to me. I mean honestly if there is another life out in the universe what are the chances that it is going to be exactly like us and it might not need temperatures that are hotter or colder than ours, and secondly I really think that in our infinite universe that there is probably another planet like ours that we could live on.

I think chances are good that there's other life out there.

Whether its intelligent or not, how far away it is, or anything like that, don't much matter.

We should concentrate on getting our shit together on earth before we start messin' with space.

Oh how true that is west. How true indeed.

[The Hunter]

I also agree that the universe is pretty damn big... we're bound to not be the only life, even intelligent life, in the entire thing. Why should our planet be the only one capable of supporting life, after all.

Cause we're the only planet that is close enough to our sun so we don't freeze, but not too close that we burn.

And we haven't had the change to visit any other solar systems, to find planets that are on a 'good' position like the earth. I think we ARE the only living thing in this whole freaking big universe.

Btw, most people say the universe is endless, but I believe I read somewhere that it actually isn't... now I'm wondering, what will be outside our universe? Another, parallel universe? Oh, and I'm going way offtopic now.

Jochem

Your getting 2 things mixed up here. Universe and Solar system, and yeah, life on any other planet in our solar system is pretty unlikely, but then again, life doesn't have to be simul;ar to ours, like Trage said.

Anyway, our galaxy, the milky way is pretty young compared to those we know of sofar. Other galaxies had a head start of many billions of years on us, each galaxy consisting of thousends of solar systems gives an enourmous amount of planets likely to have earthly conditions, thu8s enabling life as we know it. I'd say the chances uf us being alone arepretty darn small.

We should concentrate on getting our shit together on earth before we start messin' with space.

True, but that's the human nature, always looking at the horizon and beyond. We might actually learn a thing or 2.
I'm not talking about space travel to meet Mr alien here. Many scientists are doubting that speeds greater then lightspeed are even possible. But that's Science fiction anyway for quite some time to come and way out of my league.

To quote Pink Floyd: " Is anybody out there?"

[swymir]

My opinion on aliens.

1) I don't think an alien spaceship crashed near Roswell. I think it was a UFO though. You have to keep in mind that Roswell happened what in the '50s. If i'm right (which I'm usualy not about stuff like this) we were in the middle of a cold war and more specifily we were developing a stealth fighter/bomber. Roswell is an Airforce testing base. The early stages of the Stealth Fighter viewed from the bottom looked much like a UFO and to people who have never even thought of an aircraft that moved so gracefully as the stealth fighter it could be misunderstood as alien technology especially to people who were already paranoid to begin with do to the threat of nuclear holocost. Not the fact that the government covered it all up. Well i'm sure they didn't want the "commies" to learn about what they were doin'. The destruction of records was to keep them from falling in the wrong hands as I will say again they were at war or close to it I'm not sure of exact dates in all of this.

2) About the infinate universe thing. Well there are theories that the universe isn't infinate it just practicly is, but more then that I have always said that the conditions are not only possible, but highly likely. The excuse that the earth is the only planet that meets the conditions is completly stupid. We have already disproved that with Mars. Which could probably support thousands of different plants on it's surface. You can look on our own planet to disprove that thory. I mean polar bears swim in literly frozen water. Just because a human can't survive in an enviroment doesn't mean nothing can. It's all about evolution. An organism could live on the sun and breath iron gas for all we know. Our knowledge about the solor system isn't as vast as people think too. We know more about galaxies billions of light years away then we know about our own solar system. Thats thanks to the hubble telescope which Bush plans to let crash onto the Earths' surface. Something I'm compleatly against mind you. Back to the point I believe (not certain because I never do research for my rants) that we recently found out that pluto isn't even a planet. It's a commet or something. Go figure.

[PsychoEmperor]

wow every single one of you went off topic lol


But still, good points were raised.. even if it wasn't what I wanted to talk about...

But yeah, My opionon, is that they will find micobial life(AT LEAST) on mars, and Before the election, which is why they are loosening their stance on the subject. They already found water.... the rover has been craching into "uknown object" in mars... so I think Bush will pull a "Hey there is life on mars! so you better elect me, cause the democrats can't handle this situation" type thing... which is not a bad political move, but anyway, Life in the other Universe? I say Life in our own solar system, so There must be Billions upon Billions of Life in the Universe.... Life on mars will open the "flood gates" to endless possiblities

[Sho]

I don't think any of the evidence for visits by intelligent extraterrestrials is really solid, but I think that it is virtually certain that there is some sort of life out there, and probable that there is intelligent life. The current evidence suggests that planets are common but are rarely medium-sized and are usually too close to the star or in eccentric orbits. Even so, there are so many stars out there (depending on your definition and theory of the universe, there could be an infinite number, and even the conservative definitions and theories still give you a pretty large number) that there are bound to be some habitable planets out there, and I think that evidence suggests that an Earthlike planet is likely to develop life. However, this doesn't mean that I think we are likely to see intelligent life anytime soon, or even just life in general. The nearest life-bearing planet could easily be a million light-years away.